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Anthony Weiner is an idiot!

 
 
Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 07:12 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

Thomas wrote:

By this standard, you should have voted for George W. Bush, whose marriage with Laura Bush appears to be exemplary. Did you?

Nah, Kerry and Gore also had squeaky clean public marriages.

That's a fair point. (Firefly made it as well.)
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revelette
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 08:31 am
@engineer,
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This is why the Clintons don't like this story. You have to twist yourself around to make a moral argument against Weiner that doesn't also stick to Clinton.


I see it more like glitterbug sees it. It is the cyber flasher thing that gets me rather than the cheating on his wife. However, I guess that is just a personal distaste. If I was in NY, I just wouldn't vote for him, right or wrong. But since I'm not, New Yorkers should decide for themselves and I think they are.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 09:24 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:
. This is why the Clintons don't like this story. You have to twist yourself around to make a moral argument against Weiner that doesn't also stick to Clinton.

I don't get this. Bill Clinton, who had the sex affairs, is no longer running for office. That leaves Hillary Clinton. How would anything about the Monica-Lewinski affair stick to her? Not only did she not do anything wrong; she did not do anything.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 10:35 am
A friend mentioned Bill Thompson, who is a democrat running for mayor, a former comptroller. Sounds interesting - at this point I'd seriously look into him if I were a NYC person.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 11:16 am
@engineer,
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But you've defended Clinton. Much as I like him, there is no question that he "deliberately" lied about hisaffair sex life, even in court under oath, and it became very public.

And Clinton's behavior wasn't overlooked, or excused, and the lie got him impeached.

And Weiner has done considerably more lying, with elaborate schemes to conceal the lying--like paying $45,000 of his campaign funds to a detective agency to find out who had hacked his Twitter account, when that account had never been hacked, just to cover up his lies.

I never defended Clinton regarding the Lewinsky affair. If you go back and read my posts, I think I called his behavior with her "abominable", for many reasons, and I said I'm not sure I would have voted for him again if it had come out during his first term.

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You have to twist yourself around to make a moral argument against Weiner that doesn't also stick to Clinton.

I'll defend Clinton for some things, his philandering isn't one of them.

I also see a difference between having an affair with someone you know and have feelings for, where there is an actual caring relationship, and just taking pictures of your crotch and sending them to women you don't really know over the internet.

There is a creep factor for me with Weiner's behavior. He's not that far removed, in my mind, from someone who flashes you on the street because you smiled at him. Whether it was by sending photos of his privates, or by having phone sex, Weiner was actively seeking out strange women on the internet to use to get himself off, which is more than mildly sexist, and it's extremely reckless behavior because there was no reason for him to trust these women to keep the matter, or those photos, private, and not try to blackmail him, or to just go public, as Sydney Leathers has just done.

"Carlos Danger" 's brand of risk-taking doesn't equate with the kind of judgment I'd want in someone holding a position of public trust. This pathetic jerk risked his marriage, and career in public office, in order to get sexually aroused and satisfied by using strange women over the internet as something like masturbation tools. If that's what his true priorities are like, let him drop out of the race and go back to doing that. Lord knows how many more women will continue to come forward to "expose" him, since he can't even say how many there were, so it's not like this story is anywhere near over. This is tawdry and sleazy stuff. It's like having to watch Weiner star in his own home porn movies. He's divested himself of any degree of dignity, and, at a minimum, a mayor of NYC needs to have some dignity in order to effectively govern.

I don't condone any of the men in public office who cheat on their wives, because, if these were truly private matters, I'd never hear about them. These men do hurt their wives, and the public does become a witness to that. They treat their wives badly, and expose them to public humiliation. They betray their wives the same way they betray the public trust. I don't have to either admire or ignore that. And, if these men can't abide by their marriage vows, why should we expect them to uphold the vow they take with their oath of office? Where is the basis for trusting them?

Most of these men parade their wives and children as evidence of their "family values", and their stability. Anthony Weiner did that in a People magazine layout last July, after he had resigned from Congress--and the whole thing was a lie.
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“Every day since this happened, I’ve tried to become a better person, a husband Huma deserves and as good a father as I can be,” Weiner said back then. “And I’ve explored every way to try to do those things and I’m committed to continuing on that path.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election/huma-sings-weiner-praises-article-1.1411369#ixzz2adoR3vsb

Who was he exploring how to be "a husband Huma deserves" with--Sydney Leathers?
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This is why the Clintons don't like this story.

It's not just because Clinton and Weiner both got caught up in sex scandals, because there are differences between the two, and Weiner's behavior would not necessarily make anyone think of Clinton, except there is a direct link between Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin because of their connection at the State Dept. and their working relationship which is also a close friendship. So Huma Abedin reminds people of the victimized Hillary, not exactly an image that someone who has her sights on the White House wants to resurrect. Hillary has moved way beyond that image, she doesn't want to be seen in her husband's shadow, and she definitely doesn't want to be seen as a victim, and she doesn't want her own likely Presidential bid tarnished and sidetracked by any sordid chatter about her husband's past, because her political enemies will use all of it to try to block her chance at the Presidency.

Personally, I do think Weiner and his wife should consider how this is affecting the Clintons. Weiner, right now, has no chance in hell of becoming the next mayor of NYC, but Hillary Clinton stands a more than fair chance of becoming the first female President of the United States--that's historically momentous--and, particularly given the close personal ties between Clinton and Abedin, I think Weiner should drop out of the race, for many reasons, but concern for Hillary Clinton's political future should be one of those reasons. He's washed up, Hillary isn't. And he's getting her involved in his dirty laundry. He's also helping to trash whatever ambitions his own wife has by prolonging the ordeal of this episode.

Weiner doesn't even have to drop out of the race, he can just stop actively campaigning. It's pretty much too late to even get his name off the Democratic primary ballot--he'd have to die, get convicted of a felony, or move out of state for that to happen. All he has to do is stop campaigning and stop running campaign ads. If people want to vote for him, they will still be able to do that in September. But at least all the nasty details of his sordid sexual activities will stop occupying the media and the public's attention. That might even allow the voters to learn the names of the other Democratic candidates who will appear on that ballot, and what they might offer the City, rather than this continuing to be a sick sideshow to feed Anthony Weiner's perverse needs for attention.






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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 01:33 pm
Hillary does not want Huma reminding people that she stayed with a cad who abuses women, it messes up her feminist bona fides.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 01:54 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hillary's feminist credentials, and her advocacy for women's issues, are secured on an international level, she has nothing at all to fear on that score. She's established a legacy on that front that will continue to give her a world-wide platform even if she never runs for office again.



firefly
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 02:14 pm
Huma Abedin is taking "a vacation" from her work with Hillary Clinton. She has not publicly appeared with her husband since she spoke out in support of him at a press conference, and she does not appear in his latest campaign video that was filmed in their apartment.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/huma-abedin-hillary-clinton-94957.html
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 03:09 pm
@firefly,
Huma took a meeting the other day with Hillary's rep, and I'll bet she was told that she is not coming back to the inner circle until and unless she leaves the marriage. Hillary is big on one set of rules for her and one for everyone else. Perhaps hubby can agree to stay out of public life and that will be enough for Hillary.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 03:14 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Hillary's feminist credentials, and her advocacy for women's issues, are secured on an international level, she has nothing at all to fear on that score. She's established a legacy on that front that will continue to give her a world-wide platform even if she never runs for office again.


not everyone has agreed to overlook Hillary's participation in the abuse of Bill's bimbo's, so no her feminist credentials are not solid.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 03:30 pm
@hawkeye10,
I doubt that Hillary cares whether Aberdin does, or doesn't, stay in her marriage.

All the Clintons want right now is for Weiner to drop out of the race, so this whole unsavory mess he's in, that really has nothing to do with them, will start disappearing from public and media discussion ASAP. Until that happens, I would think they would want Aberdin to keep her distance from them. And that seems to be what she's doing.
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not everyone has agreed to overlook Hillary's participation in the abuse of Bill's bimbo's, so no her feminist credentials are not solid.

Hillary Clinton has world-wide respect for her advocacy and work on behalf of women and for the rights of women. Her "feminist credentials" couldn't be more solid.





firefly
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 04:04 pm
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The unraveling of Anthony Weiner
By EDWARD-ISAAC DOVERE and MAGGIE HABERMAN |
7/31/13

Anthony Weiner has lost his mind.

At least, that’s the conclusion most Democrats have come to.

There’s really no other way they can explain how he’s handled the revelations of his post-resignation sexts and his combative encounters with voters over the weekend looking for him to quit the mayor’s race. But Monday night’s needlessly dismissive brush off of the Clintons — the first family of Democratic politics who consider his wife a second daughter — surprised even people who thought they couldn’t be surprised anymore by his political self-destructiveness.

And all for a campaign that’s plummeting in the polls and heading, with every passing hour, toward a seemingly more inevitable fiery end.

The question at this point isn’t whether he’ll win or be able to use his 2013 campaign to purge memories of his 2011 humiliation. It’s just how defiant and, his critics argue, delusional, Weiner will get.

He recently suggested, for example, that the latest sexting revelations, and whatever else may be coming, will actually benefit him in the race and once he gets to City Hall. “I’m going to be a successful mayor because of it,” he told the Staten Island Advance, “because it’s going to give me a level of independence.”

Somewhat amazingly, he tried for sympathy about being betrayed by his online liaisons — people, Weiner told the Daily News, “who I thought were friends, people I trusted when I communicated with them.”

But the topper may have been Monday night, when he made another unforced and flagrant foul. Responding to reports that associates of Bill and Hillary Clinton believe they want him out of the race, Weiner said the opinions of the man who gave Huma Abedin away to him at their wedding and his wife’s long-time boss — who also happen to be a former Democratic president and potentially future one — don’t matter to him because they live in Westchester.

“I am not terribly interested in what people who are not voters in the city of New York have to say,” Weiner said, even as Abedin was in Washington staffing Hillary Clinton for her visits with President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden.

“He looks a guy who’s at the deep end of the pool and he really doesn’t know how to swim. For a guy whose whole reputation was how smart a political guy he was, how good he was on camera, how quick witted he was, this is part of the process of unraveling,” said Bill Cunningham, a former communications director for Mayor Mike Bloomberg.

Weiner’s got two options, Cunningham said: Keep taking questions that prompt more incredible answers or refuse to speak about the scandal and get accused of going into hiding.

“Either way,” Cunningham said, “he’s caught in this spiral.”

Several Democrats who knew him when he was in Congress believe the recent display is who Weiner actually is — an unvarnished version, perhaps, stripped of the protection of a government office and membership to the Washington club, but the real Weiner nonetheless.

“Remember, this is someone who thought he was unfairly pushed from office,” said one source, referring to the initial days of scandal in 2011, when he admitted to sending messages he’d initially claimed were the work of hackers. In private conversations with Democratic leadership at the time, Weiner defiantly insisted he shouldn’t have to quit, since he had broken no laws and his mistakes were personal failings, multiple sources said.

His mantra then was “let the voters decide.” The mayoral campaign, and this last week in particular, have taken that to an extreme degree.

“I think this is the real Anthony. … He saw himself as a contender,” said one veteran operative who knows Weiner.

The problem now, the operative said, is not so much Weiner’s behavior as his “truthfulness” in describing it publicly.

More than anything, even people who thought Weiner had a real shot at making a mayoral runoff have expressed surprise that he didn’t get everything out in the open in a New York Times magazine profile that effectively kicked off his campaign.

Weiner’s every event now has a carnival-like quality. On Tuesday, his beleaguered press aide, Barbara Morgan, told reporters ahead of a candidates’ forum that he would speak to them after the event, which proved untrue when the spindly Weiner walked briskly down the stairs and away from the throng giving chase.

A CNN reporter yelled a question at him about whether he’d fired off any recent sexts, after he gave a fuzzy answer to the Daily News. A debate ensued between the reporter and Morgan as to whether Weiner actually answered the question. “He said no,” Morgan said repeatedly.

Even in an age of resurrections — Eliot Spitzer is running ahead for city comptroller, and Andrew Dice Clay got himself a starring role in the new Woody Allen movie — Weiner is pushing the limits. Instead of using 2013 to wipe 2011 clean from people’s minds and give him a fresh start for the next run, he’s brought the scandal back into the present and created more bad blood than there ever was when he resigned in tears.

New Yorkers appear to have gotten tired of the performance. A Quinnipiac poll out Monday showed not just that he’d tumbled to fourth place, but that 53 percent of New Yorkers want him out of the race. The reservoir of good will and second chances appears to be heading quickly down the drain, and Weiner is at the dangerous point for a politician where many people would be ready to believe just about anything about him and doubt every word that comes out of his mouth.

Weiner’s response has been defiance, still appearing to try to outsmart questions and refusing direct answers. He told a woman over the weekend who asked how he could run after behavior that would have gotten her fired that he was moving on to other voters he might be able to win.

If there is any a strategy left, Weiner’s hope seems to be that the rest of the field remains weak enough and that New Yorkers remain susceptible enough to his street bruiser politicking charm that he’ll be able to recover ahead of the Sept. 10 primary. He’ll try to tap into the same New Yorker spirit that responded to Ed Koch — a coalition of had-it-up-to-here and outer-borough voters who responded to the former mayor’s puckishness and middle-class pitch that put him over the top in the equally crowded 1977 Democratic primary.

Weiner has made the Koch comparison himself explicitly before. He even made it to Koch directly before the former mayor died, looking for an endorsement by arguing “I’m trying to be just like you,” recalled Koch’s former press secretary and confidant, George Arzt.

Koch said no. “There’s something about Weiner that just irritated Koch,” Arzt, now a New York-based Democratic consultant, said.

Weiner is proving every day just how unlike Koch he is, Arzt argued, and how deep in trouble he’s gotten.

“He’s a guy who’s run amok. He’s in desperate shape, and he’s just trying to find a way to salvage a public career — not only a political career,” he said. “He looks like a punch-drunk guy trying to survive the fight, and he’s just wobbling around the ring, and getting hit with every punch from all directions.”

As Weiner tells the story, he’s Rocky (circa Rocky II).

“I think in an odd way, this is a great test for the kind of mayor I will be,” he said in the Daily News interview. “I will not quit on my stool.”

But Cunningham said New York is past the point of caring whether or not Weiner wants to give up.

“Once you become a punch line, once you become a running joke and once you start to show flashes of temper and annoyance at questions about a situation he himself created,” he said, “I think you’ve kicked out all the legs of the three-legged stool.”


http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/anthony-weiner-unraveling-94940_Page2.html#ixzz2af8lBZ4W
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 04:06 pm
@firefly,
right, that is why team Hillary spent a week spreading around to anyone who would listen an impossible to believe story about how Hillary and would be adoptive daughter Huma have never had a single conversation about what she should do about her marriage.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 04:14 pm
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How Anthony Weiner went from spectacle to just plain sad
By Chris Cillizza
July 31

The Fix loves political spectacle. The theater of politics is what draws us to it — politicians acting on a grand stage with genuinely important consequences for the future of the country.

So, when Anthony Weiner — he of the junk shots that drove him from Congress in 2011 — announced that he was running for mayor of New York City this fall, we were skeptical but intrigued.

After all, Americans LOVE comeback/redemption stories. Josh Hamilton’s comeback from drug abuse to superstardom in Major League Baseball. Robert Downey’s battle through substance abuse to massive box office success. “Red” in “Shawshank Redemption”. (Best. Movie. Ever.)

Weiner, at least at first, fit that familiar narrative. An ambitious and brash pol brought low by his own personal failings who, in that dark time, learned a lesson of who he really is and how he could best serve the public.

That’s certainly the story that Weiner and his wife, Hillary Clinton aide Huma Abedin, sold to the voting public in both a People magazine photo shoot and a lengthy New York Times magazine profile.

And it was the story Weiner told when he announced his plans to run for mayor and on the campaign trail. In a video that accompanied his entry, Weiner painted himself as a dedicated family man looking for another chance.

“Look, I made a some big mistakes, and I know I let a lot of people down,” Weiner says in the video. “But I’ve also learned some tough lessons…. I hope I get a second chance to work for you.”

The problem with it all was that Weiner wasn’t redeemed, making his story tragically comic rather than redemptive. In the last eight days, we’ve learned that Weiner sexted and engaged in other inappropriate online conduct with women as recently as last summer. His campaign manager quit. Weiner lashed out at, well, everyone for trying to push him out of the race. His communications director launched a verbal tirade of epic proportion against, wait for it, a former intern.

At some point in the last week, Weiner — that is, his campaign — went from a somewhat amazing spectacle to just plain sad. It’s a circus that all of a sudden took a turn for the decidedly depressing.

Weiner, reiterated (again) today that he’s in the race to stay. That’s his right, of course, but the voters of New York City — if recent polling is accurate — are done with him. Sad never wins.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/07/31/how-anthony-weiner-went-from-spectacle-to-just-plain-sad/

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Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 04:54 pm
@firefly,
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She has not publicly appeared with her husband since she spoke out in support of him at a press conference, and she does not appear in his latest campaign video that was filmed in their apartment.


In my humble opinion, I would not place too much significance on Huma Abedin's absence from the spotlight. When she spoke out for her husband, it was the first time publicly....her motivation....the Weiner campaign had hit a crucial point and she said "this is between Anthony and me," implying, I am his wife, the one he wronged....If I can forgive him, why cannot you?

One received the impression Huma was uncomfortable making that announcement...most women would. She did a wife's duty, standing by him in his hour of need.....whether she saved him or not might be another avenue.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 1 Aug, 2013 06:50 am
@Moment-in-Time,
Given the various stresses and pressures and conflicts she's experiencing, from all sides, I'm not surprised that she's taking a break from her job, or from publicly assisting her husband's campaign. A normal political campaign is stressful on the candidate's spouse, and this situation is far from the norm.

Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Thu 1 Aug, 2013 07:30 pm
@firefly,
Quote:

Given the various stresses and pressures and conflicts she's experiencing, from all sides, I'm not surprised that she's taking a break from her job, or from publicly assisting her husband's campaign. A normal political campaign is stressful on the candidate's spouse, and this situation is far from the norm.


It is said Huma Abedin is a highly accomplished individual in her own right, especially being the offspring of educators....Educators who saw the strength and value of preparing their daughter for dealing with life and its myriad ups and downs. They cannot protect their daughter where the heart is concerned.

A close friend of Huma, speaking on her own, explained that Mrs. Weiner was extremely hurt and disappointed in her husband especially since he'd promised to give up sending pictures of himself to strangers on the Internet the first time. The second time almost broke her heart.

Huma Abedin's persona is suggestive of one who is vulnerable and fragile. She is not the picture of a very strong woman, despite her powerful speech in front of the media the other day. It was horrible the day her husband was forced to resign from congress, but that his wife was pressured to go public and defend him appeared out of synchronization.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 1 Aug, 2013 07:36 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:
I don't get this. Bill Clinton, who had the sex affairs, is no longer running for office. That leaves Hillary Clinton. How would anything about the Monica-Lewinski affair stick to her? Not only did she not do anything wrong; she did not do anything.


It's America. Things matter there that don't matter elsewhere.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 1 Aug, 2013 07:39 pm
@Thomas,
I didn't forget LBJ. He's in the group that the firefly team wouldn't vote for these days as there would have been so much media coverage of his personal carryings-on.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 1 Aug, 2013 07:41 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

So far, there's no hint of scandal, past or present, about Obama.


you don't have a problem with his self-reported history of drug use?

seems like you think you can suck and blow at the same time
 

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