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Anthony Weiner is an idiot!

 
 
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 09:17 pm
Did you all feel the same about Bill Clinton?
glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 11:33 pm
@maxdancona,
I didn't.
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revelette
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 09:04 am
I didn't either, Weiner's texting is just way weirder than Clinton's normal affairs. But maybe that's a generational thing.

In any event, personally I am tired of hearing it about 24/7 on the news. Why is it the only thing anyone is talking about?
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 11:39 am
@maxdancona,
Quote:
Did you all feel the same about Bill Clinton?

I wasn't significantly bothered by Clinton's behavior until the relationship with Monica Lewinsky, which I thought was abominable on his part for a whole host of reasons. If that scandal had broken during his first term as President, I don't know whether I would have voted for him for a second term.

But Anthony Weiner is no Bill Clinton. Clinton has qualities and assets and strengths that make him valuable as a public figure in a position of power and authority that, on balance, outweigh some troubling questions about his private behaviors. I don't think that's true of Weiner at all. His track record of real accomplishment when in office seems to range from lackluster to dismal. And, where Clinton can project charm, and warmth, and keen intelligence, and "likeability", I don't think any of those things are true of Anthony Weiner.

And Clinton's various affairs and sexual transgressions generally fall within the realm of the relatable--whether one approves or disapproves of them, they are understandable, they are comprehendible. I'm not sure that's the case with Weiner's sexting photos of his private parts to women he doesn't know, and I don't think that's a generational thing. Weiner's kinky brand of exhibitionism and narcissism isn't something the average person can relate to or empathize with, and when he seems unable to get it under control, and continues to lie about it, and it continues to be a subject of public discourse, the whole matter, and Weiner himself, becomes distasteful and not worthy of public interest, let alone public trust.

Elliot Spitzer has been much smarter than Weiner about rebuilding his career, refurbishing his image, and seeking redemption. For one thing, he's waited much longer before trying a comeback to public office, and for another, he's vying for a lower profile position rather than going for another top spot. Those things not only give him more credibility, in terms of a sincere mea culpa, they help to legitimize his asking for a second chance at the public trust. And, like Clinton, Spitzer also has a track record of accomplishment, and value, that definitely justifies giving him that second chance.

It was way too early for Anthony Weiner to have tried for a comeback--particularly a comeback as mayor of NYC--and the newest round of revelations, and his defiantly remaining in the mayoral race despite all of the tawdry and distracting controversy, will effectively finish off any hopes he had of resuming a political career. He's not only damaging himself, he's damaging the Democratic brand, and he's sucking up media attention, for all the wrong reasons, and that's harmful to the other Democratic mayoral candidates on the ballot in the upcoming Democratic primary election--they need the attention and publicity because one of them will face the Republican opponent in November. Republicans and Republican-endorsed candidates have won the last 5 successive mayoral elections in NYC--it's been 20 years since there was a Democrat as mayor, and the party wants to win this time around, and Anthony Weiner staying in this race harms the chances of that happening, and possibly increases the chances for an unwanted run-off election for the Democratic nomination after the Democratic primary. I doubt that the powers-that-be in the NY Democratic party, or their major contributors, will forgive him, or back him for anything after this--they are likely to be much less forgiving than even the voters.

And Weiner isn't helping the Clintons, or Hillary's chances for a presidential bid, by remaining in the race, and they aren't happy about that at all...
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Sources: Clintons’ Patience Growing Thin with Anthony Weiner
By Rick Klein
Jul 29, 2013

Bill and Hillary Clinton increasingly see Anthony Weiner’s mayoral campaign as an embarrassment and potential liability, and are signaling through associates that they are eager to see him exit the race, several former Clinton aides and advisers told ABC News.

One Clinton associate said the Clintons are “bristling at the comparisons” between Weiner and Bill Clinton, and between Hillary Clinton and Weiner’s wife, Huma Abedin.

The pressure they are applying on him to exit the race has been coming from those outside the Clinton inner circle, at least for now, and there are no immediate plans for that to change.

It’s not clear whether either of the Clintons has had direct communications with Weiner or Abedin since the latest batch of racy communications between Weiner and a young woman surfaced last week. One source told ABC News, however, that Hillary Clinton reached out to Abedin on her 37th birthday Sunday.

But associates told ABC News that the Clintons and those close to them are worried that Weiner is not listening to outside advice.

One particular frustration voiced by several prominent Democratic donors is that Abedin contacted them to raise money for her husband’s campaign. The clear implication, according to those donors, was that supporting Weiner was akin to supporting the Clintons, given Abedin’s longstanding and close relationship with the former secretary of state.

In her Sunday New York Times column, Maureen Dowd quoted several Clinton associates voicing concern that the Weiner-Abedin story was beginning to reflect poorly on the Clintons.

“The hard stink of this one is going to get on everyone involved,” one friend is quoted by Dowd as saying...
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/07/sources-clintons-patience-growing-thin-with-anthony-weiner-2/




firefly
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 11:53 am
Quote:

The New York Times
July 27, 2013
Time to Hard-Delete Carlos Danger
By MAUREEN DOWD

WASHINGTON — WHEN you puzzle over why the elegant Huma Abedin is propping up the eel-like Anthony Weiner, you must remember one thing: Huma was raised in Saudi Arabia, where women are treated worse by men than anywhere else on the planet.

Comparatively speaking, the pol from Queens probably seems like a prince. Even though he’s a punk. After he got caught sexting and flashing women online in 2011, he promised to “never, ever” do that to his family again and slouched away from Congress. He cyber-creeped other young women in a pervy bout of tweet du seigneur as his wife traveled the world with Hillary Clinton while she was secretary of state.

Yet, while married to the classy, gorgeous mother of his infant son and planning a redemptive run for mayor, he told a Facebook friend and phone-sex partner he had never met that he loved her. Then he told her to “hard-delete” all their correspondence — if that is what you call it.

Aside from his zany Zorro-like nom de porn, Carlos Danger, Weiner has been called many things. His digital girlfriend and fellow extreme exhibitionist, Sydney Leathers (whose name sounds like a nom de porn), said that Weiner described himself to her accurately as “an argumentative, perpetually horny middle-aged man.”

But Weiner’s Goya-esque grotesquerie earns him another name: the “Rosemary’s Baby” of the Clintons.

Bill and Hillary Clinton transformed the way we look at sex scandals. They plowed through the ridicule, refused to slink away in shame like Gary Hart, said it was old news, and argued that if Hillary didn’t object, why should voters?

Poppy Bush thought Americans would reject Bill Clinton in 1992 because of his lascivious ways, but he learned that voters are more concerned with how their own lives will be changed than they are with politicians’ duplicitous private lives.

Americans keep moving the marker of acceptable behavior, partly as a reflection of the coarsening of society and partly as a public acknowledgment that many pols with complicated personal lives have been good public servants.

Now, defining deviancy downward, Señor and Señora Danger are using the Clinton playbook.

The difference is, there’s nothing in Weiner’s public life that is redeeming. In 12 years in Congress, he managed to get only one minor bill passed, on behalf of a donor, and he doesn’t work well with people. He knows how to be loud on cable and wave his Zorro sword in our faces.

Some sex scandals, like Mark Sanford’s, fall into the realm of flawed human nature, and some, like Weiner’s, fall into the realm of “Seriously, what is wrong with you?”

Huma gained renown, movie star suitors and a Vogue spread as the stylish Muslim Garbo silently and efficiently parting the waves for Hillary. She had to be resilient to work her way up from intern to consigliere in tough Hillaryworld, and she saw firsthand how the Clintons beat back foes.

They love Huma, but the Clintons, now showcasing philanthropy and public service preparatory to Hillary’s 2016 run, are not happy about getting dragged into the lewd spectacle that is a low-budget movie version of their masterpiece.

The former president is distancing himself, one associate said, noting, “He’s not getting anywhere near that grenade.”

Huma’s friends are “slapping-my-forehead astounded,” as one put it, that Weiner would get in the race knowing the online land mines that would rock Huma’s world again and torpedo the campaign.

Weiner wooed Huma assiduously, showing up at the Westchester airport in the wee hours to pick her up when she came back from trips with Hillary. “They were two hyperdrive young brains that just clicked,” said a friend. “She liked his Borscht Belt humor.”

Her circle understands that “you love who you love,” as one put it, marveling at Weiner’s “madonna-whore” complex played out online. But that doesn’t mean that you ask people to vote for someone who’s dreadfully flawed for a major office, just because you love him.

They are worried that Huma’s decision to vouch for her husband is starting to hurt her, the one person they all assumed would never be ensnared in anything weird or bad. “The hard stink of this one is going to get on everyone involved,” said one friend.

Another agreed: “As soon as she stood up to say those words she changed herself from a sophisticated, mysterious guiding intelligence and beauty next to Hillary Clinton to the wife of a tarnished Anthony Weiner.”

They fear Huma learned the wrong lesson from Hillary, given that Bill was a roguish genius while Weiner’s a creepy loser.

“Bill Clinton was the greatest political and policy mind of a generation,” said one. “Anthony is behaving similarly without the chops or résumé.”

As often as Bill apologized, he didn’t promise he would “never, ever” do it again, as Weiner did.

“What people won’t forgive is lying in the apology,” said the Clinton pal. “It has to be sincere, and it sure as hell has to be accurate.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/28/opinion/sunday/dowd-time-to-hard-delete-carlos-danger.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0
engineer
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 12:57 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Quote:
Did you all feel the same about Bill Clinton?

But Anthony Weiner is no Bill Clinton. Clinton has qualities and assets and strengths that make him valuable as a public figure in a position of power and authority that, on balance, outweigh some troubling questions about his private behaviors. I don't think that's true of Weiner at all. His track record of real accomplishment when in office seems to range from lackluster to dismal. And, where Clinton can project charm, and warmth, and keen intelligence, and "likeability", I don't think any of those things are true of Anthony Weiner.

In short, you are willing to overlook Clinton's transgressions because you like him. Fair enough, but you should be willing to let NY voters make that same call. If they agree with you, Weiner will lose badly. No reason to force him out without a vote.
firefly wrote:
And Clinton's various affairs and sexual transgressions generally fall within the realm of the relatable--whether one approves or disapproves of them, they are understandable, they are comprehendible. I'm not sure that's the case with Weiner's sexting photos of his private parts to women he doesn't know, and I don't think that's a generational thing.

I think a lot of people who have engaged in that sort of behavior could relate. The only reason Clinton's affairs are "relatable" is that just about everyone knows of some married man who's had affairs. Just on this board, we see threads from people who engage (or whose partners engage) in cyber sex.

Not that I disagree with you on the basics. I wouldn't vote for the guy. His priorities seem like they are in the wrong place. I do think that the move to bum rush him out of the race is not in the best interests of NY city. Let him run and lose (or run and win). Someone else's outrage should not limit my voting choices. I'd rather they campaign against him than eliminate him.

firefly wrote:
It was way too early for Anthony Weiner to have tried for a comeback--particularly a comeback as mayor of NYC... He's not only damaging himself, he's damaging the Democratic brand, and he's sucking up media attention, for all the wrong reasons, and that's harmful to the other Democratic mayoral candidates on the ballot in the upcoming Democratic primary election--they need the attention and publicity because one of them will face the Republican opponent in November.

If I were Weiner looking at Sanford's election, I'd have made the same political calculus. Of course that was before "Carlos Danger" but I thought Sanford's transgressions much worse and he's back in his old House seat. As for sucking all the air from the media room, the media was not going to cover the boring candidates anyway.
firefly wrote:
And Weiner isn't helping the Clintons, or Hillary's chances for a presidential bid, by remaining in the race, and they aren't happy about that at all...

I don't really think Weiner owes the Clintons anything. If he thinks this is his only chance, he'd be a fool to pull out. Realistically, I think this is his last harrah, so might as well go for it if the family supports it.
engineer
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 01:01 pm
@firefly,
MAUREEN DOWD wrote:
WHEN you puzzle over why the elegant Huma Abedin is propping up the eel-like Anthony Weiner, you must remember one thing: Huma was raised in Saudi Arabia, where women are treated worse by men than anywhere else on the planet.

What an incredibly insulting and belittling way to marginalize what must have been a terribly hard decision on her part. I wonder what the excuse is for the many thousands of other women who choose to forgive their spouses in the face of horrible behavior.
Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 02:04 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:
In short, you are willing to overlook Clinton's transgressions because you like him.

That's not what Firefly said, and that's not the point. The point is that Anthony Weiner doesn't deserve to be mayor because he has yet to do anything positive for New York at all. By contrast, Bill Clinton did deserve to remain president because he had delivered tangible benefits to America. Under his watch, the Bush recession had turned around into an economic boom, a reduction in income inequality, a nearly-balanced budget budget (completely balanced by the time he left office), and a reduction in American debt.

The sex stuff is a red herring in both cases.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 02:57 pm
@engineer,
Quote:
The only reason Clinton's affairs are "relatable" is that just about everyone knows of some married man who's had affairs. Just on this board, we see threads from people who engage (or whose partners engage) in cyber sex...

If I were Weiner looking at Sanford's election, I'd have made the same political calculus...

The kind of "cyber sex" Weiner engaged in, by sending out pictures of his genitalia, to women he didn't know, I think is much more reckless behavior than that of Sanford--who was involved with a woman he knew and loved, and had some degree of trust in--because Weiner didn't seem to consider the consequences if this woman began shooting her mouth off, just as she is doing right now. She's giving interviews telling the public that he's a liar who has been deceiving them about getting his "problem" under control, because she wants her 10 minutes of fame and noteriety. Weiner's judgment is awful. Who wants a top elected official who keeps "exposing himself"--in every sense--to the possibility of being blackmailed, and humiliated, among other things.

Quote:
I do think that the move to bum rush him out of the race is not in the best interests of NY city...


It's in the best interests of the Democratic party, and I'm a rather loyal Democrat. Smile After 20 years, it would be nice for a Democrat to occupy Gracie Mansion again.

And it's only the Democrats who will decide if he stays in the race, depending on how they vote in the primary election--as far as I know, he's only running on the Democratic line, so, if he doesn't win the primary, he's out of the race. But, by staying in the race, a race he can't possibly win now, and helping to split that primary vote, he increases the possibility of a run-off election to select the Democratic candidate. If no candidate picks up 40% of the vote in the Democratic primary in September, there will be a run-off election between the top 2 finishers in October. If that happens, it really won't give the eventual Democratic nominee much time, at all, to focus solely on the Republican candidate, or to have voters focus on them. I'm not sure that's in the best interests of the NYC voters either, and the latest polls, I think, show about 53% of them want Weiner to drop out.

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I don't really think Weiner owes the Clintons anything...

But his wife might...

And, if Weiner wants a political future in the Democratic party, the Clintons aren't people he should tangle with. While it's unlikely Weiner can ever get elected to public office again, he could still get appointed positions from other office-holders--but that will never happen either if he keeps antagonizing Democratic bigwigs or contributors by stubbornly staying in the primary race. He's more of a spoiler and a distraction than anything else now.

RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 03:00 pm
@Thomas,
Well it worked to discredit Bill when He was president. Maybe it will work on Hillery the conservatives reason.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 03:05 pm
This all seems to me working to Implosion of Farce. Some playwright and/or screenwriter is already at it..

I agree with who asked, what are all the candidates saying about New York City and its problems.

I'd be looking at others than Quinn (shiver) and Weenie.


I'm a democrat of sort, rather more left. I'm sick of some present demos on the national stage.
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 03:12 pm
@engineer,
Quote:

What an incredibly insulting and belittling way to marginalize what must have been a terribly hard decision on her part.


In my personal opinion, I do not see firefly's statement to be "insulting and belittling," primarily because we simply do not know the intimate status of the Weiner's marriage. There is much speculation regarding Huma Abedin that she is highly ambitious....who knows!? She knew her husband was behaving badly on the "Internet" doing the same thing after his public mea culpa, yet she came out to defend him, a first for her, because the situation demanded his wife come out for him, with her saying "what happened is between Anthony and me."

There is immense speculation with respect to the type of wife Huma is. Some individual wives might believe releasing sexual energy via the web is preferable to an actual physical exchange, which might tempt the significant other to physically leave the home.

---Huma Abedin does stem from a Muslim culture. She was born in Kalamazoo, Michigan. When she was two years old, her family moved to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Both her parents were educators. Her father, Syed Zainul Abedin, born in India in 1928, was an alumnus of Aligarh Muslim University, and later received his Ph.D. from the University of Pennsylvania. He died in 1993. Her Pakistani mother, Saleha Mahmood Abedin, also received her Ph.D. from the University of Pennsylvania, and is currently an associate professor of sociology at Dar Al-Hekma College in Jeddah

The truth is we don't know what makes Weiner's marriage stick or how influential her Muslim heritage has on her actions as a dutiful wife, but somehow, I cannot envision Huma Abedin ever leaving Anthony Weiner.

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I wonder what the excuse is for the many thousands of other women who choose to forgive their spouses in the face of horrible behavior.


Who knows? There are many women who will never leave their husband even with the knowledge they have committed betrayal repeatedly. Women tend to be primally territorial of a man's attention and resources. Some women remain with an unfaithful husband because they feel they don't want to be rearing children alone. Another excuse is societal perception in the eyes of friends, relatives, that the "sacred" marriage has failed and the husband prefers someone else to her, his wife. Women are reluctant to leave a marriage for myriad reasons.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 03:28 pm
@engineer,
Quote:
What an incredibly insulting and belittling way to marginalize what must have been a terribly hard decision on her part. I wonder what the excuse is for the many thousands of other women who choose to forgive their spouses in the face of horrible behavior.


While Dowd clearly doesn't think much of Anthony Weiner, I don't think she was trying to insult or belittle Huma Abedin for loving or staying with him. I think she was upset about Abedin's telling voters that they should support this man, even though he was subjecting her to a terrible, and very public, and very humiliating, ordeal, and even though he had betrayed public trust with his lying about his behavior. Abedin was trying to prop up her husband's image, and his candidacy, not just by silently standing by his side, but by actively telling people they should overlook what he was doing to her, because he's a good man who would make a good mayor.

Personally, I found that press conference with Weiner and Abedin painful to watch, and I thought Abedin was desperately trying to hold her own world, and family, together, and I felt sorry for her. But she didn't change my opinion of her husband, nor would I be more inclined to vote for him because of her endorsement, if I lived in NYC.

As a female, I feel empathy for all the women I've seen play the "good wife", and who stand bravely next to a politico husband who has humiliated and hurt them, while he does his contrition/apology/resignation act for the public. But, whether these women want to remain married to such men is their private matter and really none of my business.

But, when one of them steps forward, as Abedin did, and says I should vote for the creep anyway, that's really more than I can stomach or accept. I suspect Maureen Dowd feels the same way.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 03:31 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
That was Dowd's point.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 03:41 pm
@ossobuco,
Quote:
That was Dowd's point.


Maureen Dowd is one of my favorite Op-Ed columnists. I just had to add my two cents after reading another post.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 03:44 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
I've oft liked her and some portion as much yelled at her from here. Naturally, I don't remember examples.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 03:44 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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There is much speculation regarding Huma Abedin that she is highly ambitious....who knows!?

That's true. She might also see becoming the First Lady of NYC as providing a visible platform for herself and her own ambitions.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 03:47 pm
@ossobuco,
Ah, it was Thomas who asked what Weiner was talking about re NYC.
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 04:01 pm
@ossobuco,
Quote:
I've oft liked her and some portion as much yelled at her from here. Naturally, I don't remember examples.


Dowd was accused of plagiarism; the NYTimes did not fire herr. Maybe that is the unpleasant time you're referring to.
Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 04:04 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
Well it worked to discredit Bill when He was president.

It shouldn't have. No sex scandal should ever discredit any person for any public office, as long as everything stays between consenting grownups.

RABEL222 wrote:
Maybe it will work on Hillery the conservatives reason.

That definitely shouldn't happen. If your spouse chooses to sleep around, how does that disqualify you from office?
 

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