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Anthony Weiner is an idiot!

 
 
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 04:16 pm
@revelette,
Really??? Oral sex under your desk from a someone half your age who works for you is a "normal affair".

This doesn't strike me as anything approaching "normal" behavior.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 05:53 pm
@maxdancona,
obviously you don't have an executive washroom key...
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engineer
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 06:08 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

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What an incredibly insulting and belittling way to marginalize what must have been a terribly hard decision on her part. I wonder what the excuse is for the many thousands of other women who choose to forgive their spouses in the face of horrible behavior.


While Dowd clearly doesn't think much of Anthony Weiner, I don't think she was trying to insult or belittle Huma Abedin for loving or staying with him. I think she was upset about Abedin's telling voters that they should support this man, even though he was subjecting her to a terrible, and very public, and very humiliating, ordeal, and even though he had betrayed public trust with his lying about his behavior. Abedin was trying to prop up her husband's image, and his candidacy, not just by silently standing by his side, but by actively telling people they should overlook what he was doing to her, because he's a good man who would make a good mayor.

I was referring to Dowd's comment about her being of Saudi background. The implication is that she did not make the call out of love, out of support for her child, out of a rational decision about her and her husband's future, she did it because she's a brainwashed, subjugated Saudi woman. I find that incredibly demeaning.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 06:11 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
I've no idea; I haven't read her for years now, the paywall business. Before all that , I was sometimes ok on her takes and often not.
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engineer
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 06:12 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:

The point is that Anthony Weiner doesn't deserve to be mayor because he has yet to do anything positive for New York at all.

Ok, let the voters decide then. I'm sure that will weigh on their decision. My problem is those who say Weiner should quit because of his sexual predilections. If no one wants to vote for him, that will settle the issue.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 06:14 pm
@maxdancona,
Oh, wait...
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engineer
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 06:23 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

The kind of "cyber sex" Weiner engaged in, by sending out pictures of his genitalia, to women he didn't know, I think is much more reckless behavior than that of Sanford--who was involved with a woman he knew and loved, and had some degree of trust in--because Weiner didn't seem to consider the consequences if this woman began shooting her mouth off, just as she is doing right now. She's giving interviews telling the public that he's a liar who has been deceiving them about getting his "problem" under control, because she wants her 10 minutes of fame and noteriety. Weiner's judgment is awful. Who wants a top elected official who keeps "exposing himself"--in every sense--to the possibility of being blackmailed, and humiliated, among other things.

I don't disagree with any of that and I certainly wouldn't vote for him, but Clinton did the same with the exact same results. Women came forward, there was an impeachment, etc. Clinton's cigar was yesteryear's Weiner pic.

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It's in the best interests of the Democratic party, and I'm a rather loyal Democrat. Smile After 20 years, it would be nice for a Democrat to occupy Gracie Mansion again.
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But, by staying in the race, a race he can't possibly win now, and helping to split that primary vote, he increases the possibility of a run-off election to select the Democratic candidate. If no candidate picks up 40% of the vote in the Democratic primary in September, there will be a run-off election between the top 2 finishers in October.

So you are conceding that a significant number of Democrats will vote for Weiner, enough to tilt the election? That is why he should stay in. If they are going to vote for him after all of this, then he must be bringing something to the conversation. That said, I understand the argument that you'd rather have a candidate with a smooth route through the primaries. My take is I'm tired of newspapers, tabloids and a vocal minority deciding who I can vote for. (I'm not a NY resident so this is an academic debate for me.) If the guy thinks he has something to contribute IMO he should run.
engineer
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 06:25 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:

In my personal opinion, I do not see firefly's statement to be "insulting and belittling," primarily because we simply do not know the intimate status of the Weiner's marriage.

Just to be clear, that was Dowd's quote and I was referring to the Saudi Arabia line.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 06:39 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:
Ok, let the voters decide then. I'm sure that will weigh on their decision. My problem is those who say Weiner should quit because of his sexual predilections. If no one wants to vote for him, that will settle the issue.

No problem. I'm fine with that.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 06:43 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
The kind of "cyber sex" Weiner engaged in, by sending out pictures of his genitalia, to women he didn't know, I think is much more reckless behavior than that of Sanford

Why? What's the harm? Did any of the recipients complain? Did any of them ask Weiner to stop? If so, did he fail to comply?

If the answer to these questions is "no", then we're done. Consenting grownups --- none of our business.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 06:49 pm
@Thomas,
But but but -
I find Weiner not to my liking, but if he and his wife and the women he meets on line are as you say consenting adults, I have nothing to add. Case closed.
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 06:53 pm
@maxdancona,
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Really??? Oral sex under your desk from a someone half your age who works for you is a "normal affair".

This doesn't strike me as anything approaching "normal" behavior.


It depends on what the individual describe as "normal." Powerful, influential good-looking men holding high positions, usually attract young women like a magnet. These CEOs give beautiful gifts to these young women half their age; sometimes these girlfriends are promoted within the corporation.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 07:06 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Really??? Oral sex under your desk from a someone half your age who works for you is a "normal affair".

As far as the sex goes, surely. Where do you think the term "suck-up" comes from? Lots of underlings sleep their way up the pecking order. As a result, lots of bosses get head from women half their age. And you know what? As long as everyone is a consenting adult, that's fine.

Of course, maybe the underlings aren't consenting. Maybe they are coerced by their bosses, which have much more power than they do. But in that case, we'd be looking at an abuse-of-power scandal, not a sex scandal, which would make your example irrelevant to the Weiner case. Weiner had no power over the women he sexted.

Also, the up-sucking underling may be taking the job of better-qualified employee who didn't prostitute themselves for a promotion. In that case, we have a corruption scandal of sorts that harms the organization. But again, that would be irrelevant to the Weiner case. There's no claim that Weiner traded the exchange of sext-messages for real-life favors to these women.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 07:10 pm
@Thomas,
Your right Thomas. But do you think that will make any difference to the conservative brain washing system.
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RABEL222 wrote:

Well it worked to discredit Bill when He was president.


It shouldn't have. No sex scandal should ever discredit any person for any public office, as long as everything stays between consenting grownups.

RABEL222 wrote:

Maybe it will work on Hillery the conservatives reason.


That definitely shouldn't happen. If your spouse chooses to sleep around, how does that disqualify you from office?
Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 07:20 pm
@RABEL222,
I'm not in charge of any conservative brainwashing system. I am in charge of my personal opinion only. My role as a (future) citizen is to form it and argue it.
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 07:59 pm
@engineer,
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So you are conceding that a significant number of Democrats will vote for Weiner, enough to tilt the election?

Weiner doesn't have to get a significant number of notes to trigger a run-off election between the two top finishers in the Democratic primary. He just has to draw enough to keep any of the others from getting 40% of the vote in the primary.
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If they are going to vote for him after all of this, then he must be bringing something to the conversation

Well, he's got name recognition. Laughing And a lot of exposure and visibility. Laughing

I haven't followed the other Democratic candidates, because I don't live in NYC, but I can't imagine what he'd bring to the conversation that the others wouldn't--beside photos of his crotch. He wasn't distinguished as a Congressman, nor does he have any CEO or significant administrative experience that might make him an effective Mayor, and, if he can't manage his personal life well, and control his various addictions, what qualifies him to be at the helm of a huge and complex city?
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I understand the argument that you'd rather have a candidate with a smooth route through the primaries

Preferably, I'd like to see one candidate pick up at least 40% of the primary vote to avoid a run-off election for the Democratic nomination. That would give the Democrats the best chance of winning in November. I may not live in the City, but I am partisan, and I'd like to see a Democrat as mayor for a change.

Even without Weiner in the race, I don't know that there is one candidate who will sail through the primary, but, with Weiner still in the race, he becomes the spoiler who might make that run-off election considerably more likely. And he is getting so much media attention, it's harder for the other Democratic candidates to get their message out. He's not doing NYer's, or the Democratic party, a favor by staying in because his media attention, which is focused almost exclusively on his sexual habits, is eclipsing the other candidates who are trying to address actual issues confronting the City--and voters aren't getting to hear those messages, or even getting to hear those other candidate's names.
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My take is I'm tired of newspapers, tabloids and a vocal minority deciding who I can vote for.

At this point, it's a majority of voters who are saying they want him out of the race.

In the end, no one can tell you who to vote for. Even if Weiner drops out, I think voters could still cast write-in ballots for him.

I think the only reason that Weiner won't drop out is because he can't relinquish the spotlight--this man is an exhibitionist, in every sense, who craves and thrives on attention. And he has no record of accomplishments to merit that attention or to balance out his narcissism.

Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 08:15 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
At this point, it's a majority of voters who are saying they want him out of the race.

Fortunately, voters don't have a say in who's in the race. They only decide whom of the racers wins. By all means, they should vote against Weiner! He has nothing going for him. But I detest this argument that he shouldn't even run. It's anti-democratic (small 'd'), and I hope it stops.
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 08:19 pm
@Thomas,
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Why? What's the harm? Did any of the recipients complain


What's the harm? Listen to this woman...
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Sydney Leathers trashes Anthony Weiner on 'Howard Stern Show'

Leathers told Stern that her relationship with Weiner is proof that the former congressman has 'not changed.'

By David Knowles
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
July 30, 2013

Sydney Leathers, Anthony Weiner’s latest sexting paramour turned prospective porn star, is throwing cold water on her old flame’s mayoral aspirations.

Appearing on "The Howard Stern Show" on Tuesday, Leathers, 23, did not shy away from offering her opinion on whether Weiner, 48, had what it took to become New York’s next mayor.

“I mean as funny as it would be to have a Mayor Carlos Danger, I think he’s a little too busy j-----g off to do anything for the city,” Leathers told Stern.

In a candid and often raunchy recounting of the extramarital relationship that has all but dashed Weiner’s chances of becoming mayor, Leathers repeatedly cast doubt on whether the New Yorker was qualified to hold that office.

“Okay, how are you going to be mayor of New York City if you’re c---ing like five times a day?” Leathers asked rhetorically.

Detailing the escalation of their sexually charged exchanges — which began via email and morphed into regular phone sex spiced with sexted naked photos — Leathers admitted that she fell for Weiner.

“Maybe I thought I was in love with him; in reality I wasn’t, it was just the infatuation, and the whole situation was just really intense,” Leathers said.

Ironically, Leathers' entanglement with Weiner began shortly after revelations about the then-Congressman sending lewd pictures of his penis to strangers forced him from office. At that time, Leathers said she wrote to Weiner on Facebook to express her disappointment in his conduct. A year later, Leathers said Weiner poked her on Facebook and apologized for letting Leathers down, but almost at once began pursuing her.

"That was what really got me," Leathers told Stern, "that he's supposedly getting help but in reality he's flirting with me."

Still, Leathers felt flattered by Weiner's attention, and acquiesced to his request for a photograph. Among the first images she shared with him was a self-portrait of her in thong underwear.

Weiner reciprocated, sending Leathers graphic pictures of himself despite the incredible risk involved.

"He even told me after he sent the first picture, 'You know I took this just for you,'" Leathers said. "It was titled 'For Syd,' and then he's like, 'If this ends up anywhere, I know you did it.'"

Absent from the couple’s salacious communications was mention of Huma Abedin, Weiner’s wife, and the former congressman’s 18-month-old son, Jordan.

“He talked to me more about his two cats than he did about his child or his wife,” Leathers said.

Stern co-host Robin Quivers pressed Leathers on whether Weiner could have somehow believed that his relationship with Leathers was not a threat to his marriage.

“Do you think he maybe actually thinks this is not cheating?” Robyn asked.

“Maybe, but then again maybe not because I don’t think he really gives a sh--, to be honest,” Leathers said. “I think he’s like, 'I’m Anthony Weiner, I’m gonna do, I’m Carlos Danger, I’m gonna do whatever I want. Who cares about my wife? She'll forgive me no matter what.'”

When Leathers began to sour on the relationship, she says Weiner wouldn't let go, pestering her with constant phone calls.

“He was just this needy little b---h, basically," Leathers said, adding that Weiner "needs his ego stroked. That's the problem."

Eventually, the feverish back and forth with Weiner began to wear thin, Leathers said, especially as the mayoral candidate grew ever jealous of her other online activities.

"It actually was a turn-off. That’s part of why things started to fizzle out, because he was clingy with me, he would get pissy with me over, you know, guys complimenting me on Facebook, just weird sh-- like that. I’m like, ‘You’re married. I’m single,’ you know?”

With Weiner's political aspirations now in serious jeopardy, Leathers is exploring new career offers, and confirmed to Stern that she had begun talks with Vivid Entertainment about a possible porn deal.

“Are you considering a porno?” Stern asked.

“I am keeping all my options open,” Leathers said.

Whatever her future prospects, Leathers said that the reason she had come forward to let the world know about her relationship with Weiner had primarily to do with the disgraced politician’s hypocrisy.

“I think I am a little bit angry with him, just because, you know, he lured me into this situation and then he didn’t want to own up to it,” Leathers said. “What pissed me off was him on the campaign trail saying ‘Oh, I’ve changed,” and trying act like he has this perfect marriage now and everything’s just peachy ... I was like, bullsh--, I’m proof that you have not changed.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/sydney-leathers-trashes-anthony-weiner-howard-stern-article-1.1412946#ixzz2aaJ6s0Wy


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Consenting grownups --- none of our business.


Once the relationship becomes public, and one of the parties involved starts shooting her mouth off, it becomes everyone's business--particularly when she's talking about a man who wants to govern a major city.

The harm from his reckless behavior falls on Weiner. Voters have every reason to question this man's judgment.

Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 08:34 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
The harm from his reckless behavior falls on Weiner. Voters have every reason to question this man's judgment.

Or in other words, nobody got harmed except Weiner himself, and for that, you want him harmed even more. Personally, I don't see how that follows, but there you go....
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 08:35 pm
@firefly,
Wow.

That whole Dowd piece is mmmm well kinda embarrassing for her.

And the idea of Hillary 2016 <shakes head>.
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