Snowdon is a dummy

@RABEL222,

One may have to in states where the state government is doing their best to suppress voters from voting. They can always claim (SYG) they're only protecting their Constitutional right to vote.

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@Frank Apisa,

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You apparently are aiming for humor.

You are not an especially good marksman.

Man, I put smileys all over my posts. How dull are you?

The point of the joke was to impart on you that you should not try to silence Bill by telling him that he shouldn't say certain things, for fear of the police. You already accepted that you live in a police state. Don't you become an informant of the Gestapo now.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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You apparently are aiming for humor.

You are not an especially good marksman.

Man, I put smileys all over my posts. How dull are you?
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Not dull at all.

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The point of the joke was to impart on you that you should not try to silence Bill by telling him that he shouldn't say certain things, for fear of the police. You already accepted that you live in a police state. Don't you become an informant of the Gestapo now.

Whatever. Posting on A2K has become a test in accepting insults...blatant and subtle.

We are not a police state. We are part of a world that has gotten incredibly complex...and the notion of privacy is going to change very, very radically during the coming decades. By mid-century, the notion of privacy the way we want it today will look like horse and buggy days.

I am discussing that with Bill.

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The German Federal Prosecution Office is now starting to launch investigations on all our three secret services for possble criminal actions.

The relevant article of our criminal code:

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Section 99
Working as an agent for an intelligence service

(1) Whosoever

1. engages in intelligence activity for the intelligence service of a foreign power against the Federal Republic of Germany which is directed toward communication or supply of facts, objects or knowledge; or

2. declares to the intelligence service of a foreign power or one of its intermediaries his willingness to engage in such activity,

shall be liable to imprisonment not exceeding five years or a fine unless the offence is punishable under section 94, section 96(1), section 97a, or section 97b in conjunction with section 94 or section 96(1).

(2) In especially serious cases the penalty shall be imprisonment from one to ten years. An especially serious case typically occurs if the offender communicates or supplies facts, objects or knowledge which have been kept secret by an official agency or at its behest, and he

1. abuses a position of responsibility which especially mandates him to safeguard such secrets; or

2. through the offence creates the danger of serious prejudice to the Federal Republic of Germany.

(3) Section 98(2) shall apply mutatis mutandis.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Not sure why these thoughts came to mind when I read your comments, Walter, but they did.

One of the biggest advantages terrorists and guerilla fighters have is that their adversaries have rules of conduct.

One of the fondest hopes of terrorists and guerilla fighters is that their adversaries will be forced to comply with those rules.

Let me acknowledge that no civilization can exist without rules…but every civilization must guard against allowing “the rules” to become a suicide pact with themselves.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Not sure why these thoughts came to mind when I read your comments, Walter, but they did.

Another Apisa lie, Frank. You know exactly why. Because you are trying to make apologies for US war crimes and terrorism. You still haven't answered Thomas's questions.

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One of the biggest advantages terrorists and guerilla fighters have is that their adversaries have rules of conduct.

Again, the lies about the central issue, the one that has caused all the actions against the USA, the UK and other terrorist supporting countries.

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Noam Chomsky: The phrase 'war on terrorism' should always be used in quotes, cause there can't possibly be a war on terrorism, it's impossible. The reason is it's led by one of the worst terrorist states in the world, in fact it's led by the only state in the world which has been condemned by the highest international authorities for international terrorism, namely the World Court and Security Council, except that the US vetoed the resolution.

The US, et al, has caused these actions, like 9-11 because they have been involved in terrorist actions and war crimes against the people of the Mid-East for over half a century. There's no reason that the people of the Far East couldn't rise up and do the same for the US has been involved in terrorist actions and war crimes against the people of the Far East for over a century.

Until you face this fact, you're going to have to continue to lie lie lie, which has never seemed to cause you too much of a problem.

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One of the fondest hopes of terrorists and guerilla fighters is that their adversaries will be forced to comply with those rules.

The notion that the US complies with any international rules, laws and norms is ludicrous in the extreme.

And I can't understand why Walter and other people allow you to get away with these lies. It serves no useful purpose. It only allows folks like you to maintain this fog of delusion.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

The German Federal Prosecution Office is now starting to launch investigations on all our three secret services for possible criminal actions.

Sounds like you might have an out of control legal system, just like Italy does.

I think the US and Berlusconi should team up and massacre 99% of the Italian judiciary.

Perhaps your German secret services should begin thinking about conducting their own massacre.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

I think the US and Berlusconi should team up and massacre 99% of the Italian judiciary.

Ah, yes, Berlusconi wants to abandon the constitution as well ...

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

Sounds like you might have an out of control legal system, just like Italy does.

I know, we have independent prosecutors: they have to follow the law.

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@Frank Apisa,

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One of the biggest advantages terrorists and guerilla fighters have is that their adversaries have rules of conduct.

One of the fondest hopes of terrorists and guerilla fighters is that their adversaries will be forced to comply with those rules.

Yes, the solution is to become the same as them in every way and in every aspect.

I still however find it very strange that we had been able to engage in conflicts with nuclear armed nation states without yielding our freedoms but when face with an enemy who can not get most of their low tech chemical bombs to function correctly we need to tear up the bill of rights.

Let see underwear bomb did not work, shoe bomb did not work, car bomb in time square did not work, bombs hidden in computer printers did not work.

Two very low tech pressure cooker bombs did work.

Yes I can see why we needed to tear up the bill of rights as our freedoms are not worth taking any risk for or paying any price for either.

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@BillRM,

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One of the biggest advantages terrorists and guerilla fighters have is that their adversaries have rules of conduct.

One of the fondest hopes of terrorists and guerilla fighters is that their adversaries will be forced to comply with those rules.

Yes, the solution is to become the same as them in every way and in every aspect.

I still however find it very strange that we had been able to engage in conflicts with nuclear armed nation states without yielding our freedoms but when face with an enemy who can not get most of their low tech chemical bombs to function correctly we need to tear up the bill of rights.

Let see underwear bomb did not work, shoe bomb did not work, car bomb in time square did not work, bombs hidden in computer printers did not work.

Two very low tech pressure cooker bombs did work.

Yes I can see why we needed to tear up the bill of rights as our freedoms are not worth taking any risk for or paying any price for either.

Well...if you can see a need to tear up the Bill of Rights...that is your right.

Personally, I see no reason to do so...nor would I advocate doing so as you seem to be doing, Bill.

But I am reminded of the bumper sticker that used to be popular which read:

I'D RATHER BE DEAD THAN RED!

There actually was something in between...for people who were able to think.

And there is something "in between" tearing up the Bill of Rights...and allowing it to become a suicide pact.

Glad you are sticking with me, Bill. I may be able to get this through your defenses at some point.

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@Frank Apisa,

Sorry mass spying on every US citizen is indeed tearing up the bill or rights and terrorism is being used as an excused by those who wish for a total surveillance state.

It is surely not due to any need to set up such a state to deal with such a fairly minor threat compare to the many far greater threats that the nation had deal with in it past.

Not to mention that there is going to be one hell of a lot of push back from our allies over our spying on their citizens.

Seem funny now that we had have the nerve to complain about China state supported internet spying when it compare to children at play to what the US government had been doing worldwide.

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@BillRM,

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Sorry mass spying on every US citizen is indeed tearing up the bill or rights and terrorism is being used as an excused by those who wish for a total surveillance state.

It is surely not due to any need to set up such a state to deal with such a fairly minor threat compare to the many far greater threats that the nation had deal with in it past.

Not to mention that there is going to be one hell of a lot of push back from our allies over our spying on their citizens.

Seem funny now that we had have the nerve to complain about China state supported internet spying when it compare to children at play to what the US government had been doing worldwide.

Try to find the "in between." But you've gotta open your eyes in order to look.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Try to find the "in between." But you've gotta open your eyes in order to look.

Jesus, Frank, what it is that causes so many of you to be such hypocrites. You rarely open your eyes.

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Saxby Chambliss: Security Threats 'Reminiscent Of What We Saw Pre-9/11'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/04/saxby-chambliss-security-threats_n_3703973.html?ncid=txtlnkushpmg00000037

Snowden apparently has forgotten 9/11...

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@Frank Apisa,

I'm the new red Smile

Nobody has the right to hijack a color especially red. hehe, just sayin'...

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@RexRed,

RexRed wrote:

I'm the new red Nobody has the right to hijack a color especially red. hehe, just sayin'...

You da man, Rex! Wink

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@RexRed,

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Snowden apparently has forgotten 9/11.

Why do I have a question in my mind if this alert is just a dream up one to help take the heat off the government cause by their massive spying on US citizens?

Strange indeed that the evil terrorists leadership are still using communications we can tap when a decade ago Bin Laden was living in a compound without phones or internet hookups depending on hand deliveries.

Where open source strong encryption technology are there for the downloading for those messages that just can not wait.

Those terrorists must be as dumb as a brick to allowed the NSA to get a hold of their communications and in readable form from what I been hearing.

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@RexRed,

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Snowden apparently has forgotten 9/11...

Rex, Frank says, "But you've gotta open your eyes in order to look". The US has done hundreds of 9-11s, and much much much worse to myriad countries around the world.

Measured against the grand scheme of US war crimes and terrorism, 9-11 was like a picnic in the park.

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@BillRM,

what do they call it when intelligence operations plant " communications" for the other side to find? " misinformation" isn't it? I think we are a supposed to assume that al Qaeda is too stupid to kmow of such SOP.

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