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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 23 Oct, 2014 12:49 pm
Rep. Mike Rogers (R-MI), the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, has already made it clear that he thinks Snowden committed treason, but now he says that Snowden should be charged with murder.

Edward Snowden Should Be Charged With Murder, Says Congressman Mike Rogers
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"The [US] government has pressed charges on Mr Snowden," he said. "We are treating him, as, I would argue, the traitor that he is." Rogers added: "And by the way, and this is important, I would charge him for murder."
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"He took information that allows force protection, not only for British soldiers, but for US soldiers, and made it more difficult for us to track those activities. Meaning it is more likely that one of those soldiers is going to get their legs blown off or killed because of his actions," he said. "Anybody that provides information to the enemy is a traitor, period, pure and simple."

He added: "Many don't find it odd he is in the loving arms of an SVR [Russia's External Intelligence Service] agent right now in Moscow. I do."
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 23 Oct, 2014 12:55 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Mountain, mole hill, Mike Rogers.

These guys whose supposed to know legal issues don't know much of anything; Mr Rogers is not a prosecutor nor someone with any common sense.

Since Obama is a Kenyan, a communist/socialist, and the king - according to the GOP, maybe Mr Rogers has a good idea - like the scare on ebola from the right. One ebola victim deserves to stop all flights.

Scary; these idiots who make the laws of this land.
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izzythepush
 
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Thu 23 Oct, 2014 12:55 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
And they wonder why he's staying put.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 23 Oct, 2014 12:58 pm
@izzythepush,
Like Frank repeats ad naseam, "Snowden will get a fair trial." He just needs to return to the good ole US of A. *And get shot by some idiot police with a gun.
JTT
 
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Thu 23 Oct, 2014 12:58 pm
@revelette2,
Good for you, Rev. The truth shall set you free.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 23 Oct, 2014 01:24 pm
Snowden deserves a fair trial...and I hope he eventually gets one.

Yeah, there are assholes like Mike Rogers suggesting he is a traitor and a murderer...just as there are others suggesting he is a hero.

He is a guy charged with very specific crimes...namely, stealing classified government documents and releasing them to people not authorized to receive them.

If he decides to return to the United States, those are the charges he should be tried on. He also has the option of not returning.
JTT
 
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Thu 23 Oct, 2014 01:25 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Your record is stuck, Frank. Nudge the turntable.
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izzythepush
 
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Thu 23 Oct, 2014 01:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Like Lee Harvey Oswald.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 23 Oct, 2014 01:48 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Well, Rogers said that "over 95%" of the information Snowden handed over had "nothing to do" with the NSA spying on American or European citizens' private communications but was "about tactical things, military plans and operations".
Since Roger's committee is charged with oversight of, among other the CIA, NSA and FBI (among others), he should know, shouldn't he?
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 23 Oct, 2014 01:59 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Well, Rogers said that "over 95%" of the information Snowden handed over had "nothing to do" with the NSA spying on American or European citizens' private communications but was "about tactical things, military plans and operations".
Since Roger's committee is charged with oversight of, among other the CIA, NSA and FBI (among others), he should know, shouldn't he?


How does that impact on what I said, Walter?

Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 23 Oct, 2014 02:16 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
How does that impact on what I said, Walter?
Don't know - I just hit the response button. Sorry.
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revelette2
 
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Thu 23 Oct, 2014 06:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Rogers is not the one who will prosecuting his trial, nor the presiding over the trial, nor the one arresting him and bringing him to trial. If Snowden were to return home, more than likely, he will be guarded better than the Pope. The last thing the US needs is for Snowden to get shot and become a martyr. He said he wouldn't mind going to prison, I think he should put his money where his mouth is and face the consequences of his actions he has said he doesn't regret.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 23 Oct, 2014 08:24 pm
@revelette2,
The rhetoric is what I'm talking about. It doesn't matter that he's not doing anything legal or illegal against Snowden. It's the rhetoric; it's dumb, stupid, idiotic, and uncalled for.
revelette2
 
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Thu 23 Oct, 2014 08:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yes it is.
Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 24 Oct, 2014 04:01 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

Yes it is.


I agree completely with ci on this also, Revelette.

The crap Rogers is spewing is totally uncalled for...and perverts the system.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 28 Oct, 2014 03:55 am
According to 'yahoo-news' (and now various other media as well), the FBI identified the suspected second whistleblower.
BillRM
 
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Tue 28 Oct, 2014 04:22 am
@revelette2,
Quote:
The last thing the US needs is for Snowden to get shot and become a martyr.


He is now in fact is a martyr to our freedoms and the constitutional rights to privacy without the need to be shot or even to be locked up in a small cell for the rest of his life.

He gave up a good life in order to warn his fellow citizens what their government is doing hidden behind security stamps and I see no need for this martyr to aid the government in increasing his punishment.

To ask him to turn himself over to the constitutional criminals in control of the US government would be similar to asking Joan of Arc to help collect the wood to be used to burn her at the stake.
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 28 Oct, 2014 04:36 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
The last thing the US needs is for Snowden to get shot and become a martyr.


He is now in fact is a martyr to our freedoms and the constitutional rights to privacy without the need to be shot or even to be locked up in a small cell for the rest of his life.

He gave up a good life in order to warn his fellow citizens what their government is doing hidden behind security stamps and I see no need for this martyr to aid the government in increasing his punishment.

To ask him to turn himself over to the constitutional criminals in control of the US government would be similar to asking Joan of Arc to help collect the wood to be used to burn her at the stake.


What Snowden actually is...is a guy accused of stealing classified government documents and releasing them to people not authorized to receive them.

What he deserves...is a fair trial.

I hope that is what he gets, but I respect his right to stay put in asylum where he is.
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Olivier5
 
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Tue 28 Oct, 2014 05:50 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Bound to happen, now or later. I read a article recently showing that Washington, as a social community of government staffers, has incorporated leaks as a necessary part of the American political system. The argument was that, without such leaks, everybody knows that the system will become too secretive for the good of the country, too dissimulative. This thinking apparently developed as more and more stuff became classified, top-secret etc.

In short, a secretive system breeds leaks, and may even NEED them to survive.
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BillRM
 
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Tue 28 Oct, 2014 01:26 pm
Quote:


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-wp-blm-news-bc-postal28-20141028-story.html

WASHINGTON — The U.S. Postal Service granted 49,000 requests by law enforcement to track people's mail in 2013 under a program that often lacked proper approval, adequate justification and required annual reviews, a recent audit found.

Those deficiencies can "hinder the Postal Inspection Service's ability to conduct effective investigations, lead to public concerns over privacy of mail, and harm the Postal Service's brand," according to an inspector general's audit published in May. Names of the agencies and police departments that requested the tracking were redacted.

The report shows yet another layer of the U.S. government's surveillance tactics at a time when the public on edge about the extensive electronic spying revealed last year by former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden. The Postal Service program's "insufficient controls" cited in the audit only add to the alarm for privacy advocates.


"This sort of fast and loose surveillance of individuals' communications is unacceptable," said Harley Geiger, senior counsel for the Washington-based Center for Democracy & Technology. "A program like this, which can reveal sensitive correspondence, must have proper oversight, authority, and justification — and it appears that privacy controls were developed, but not followed."

The program lets authorities ask to record the names, addresses and other information on the outside of mail to help protect national security or help in criminal probes. Local law enforcement uses the program often to locate fugitives, or to obtain evidence or identify forfeitable assets in criminal investigations, according to the report.

Of 196 tracking requests reviewed, "21 percent were approved without written authority and 13 percent were not adequately justified or reasonable grounds were not transcribed accurately," the Postal Service's inspector general office said in the audit. "Also, 15 percent of the inspectors who conducted did not have the required nondisclosure form on file."

The New York Times published details on the little-noticed audit in its editions Tuesday.

A spokesman for the Postal Service didn't immediately return a telephone message seeking comment.

The completeness, accuracy and consistency of the data collected was also called into question, as 928 tracking requests were found to be active even though their cover periods had expired, the report shows.

In addition, the Postal Service didn't have procedures to ensure required annual reviews were done and, in the past three fiscal years, provided evidence of only one review, the audit found.

"The revelation of yet another massive intrusion into our privacy as American citizens — this time by way of the U.S. Postal Service — is extremely disturbing, yet not surprising in the new national security state," said Mark Brodin, a professor at Boston College Law School, in an email.

Brodin said that the protection of Americans' communications from unreasonable searches and seizures have been eroded by the U.S. Supreme Court and the White House, particularly since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

"Thus when we bank, or make a telephone call, or send a letter, and consequently convey information to the financial institution or phone company or USPS, that information is up for grabs by the government without the need for any judge's approval," he said.

Copyright © 2014, Chicago Tribune
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