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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 25 Sep, 2014 02:51 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Jump!
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 25 Sep, 2014 02:53 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Jump!


C'mon, Olivier. You can do better than that.
revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 25 Sep, 2014 03:05 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Thank you, it is such a nice break to read that. I could picture it you described it so well even if I don't really understand the technical terms.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 25 Sep, 2014 03:12 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Jump again, Frank, jump!
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 25 Sep, 2014 03:26 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Jump again, Frank, jump!


Ya gotta know when to hold 'em...know when to fold 'em!

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 25 Sep, 2014 03:33 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter, You have always impressed me with your camera equipment that you lug around. I'm happy with my simple view and shoot camera that fits into the small case on my belt. I'm now leaving Halifax, Nova Scotia, on our way to Nyc. I've taken about 1000 pictures during this 17 day cruise; some will come out satisfactory for my purpose. Your friend, Tak
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2014 05:28 am
The government by it very own actions of massive invasions of privacy have resulted in counter actions, just as I had stated would occur in the beginning of this thread.


Quote:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/fbi-blasts-apple-google-for-locking-police-out-of-phones/2014/09/25/68c4e08e-4344-11e4-9a15-137aa0153527_story.html?tid=recommended_strip_1

FBI Director James B. Comey sharply criticized Apple and Google on Thursday for developing forms of smartphone encryption so secure that law enforcement officials cannot easily gain access to information stored on the devices — even when they have valid search warrants.

His comments were the most forceful yet from a top government official but echo a chorus of denunciation from law enforcement officials nationwide. Police have said that the ability to search photos, messages and Web histories on smartphones is essential to solving a range of serious crimes, including murder, child pornography and attempted terrorist attacks.

“There will come a day when it will matter a great deal to the lives of people . . . that we will be able to gain access” to such devices, Comey told reporters in a briefing. “I want to have that conversation [with companies responsible] before that day comes.”

Comey added that FBI officials already have made initial contact with the two companies, which announced their new smartphone encryption initiatives last week. He said he could not understand why companies would “market something expressly to allow people to place themselves beyond the law.”

Comey’s remarks followed news last week that Apple’s latest mobile operating system, iOS 8, is so thoroughly encrypted that the company is unable to unlock iPhones or iPads for police. Google, meanwhile, is moving to an automatic form of encryption for its newest version of Android operating system that the company also will not be able to unlock, though it will take longer for that new feature to reach most consumers.

Both companies declined to comment on Comey’s remarks. Apple has said that its new encryption is not intended to specifically hinder law enforcement but to improve device security against any potential intruder.

For detectives working a tough case, few types of evidence are more revealing than a smartphone. Call logs, instant messages and location records can link a suspect to a crime precisely when and where it occurred. And a surprising number of criminals, police say, like to take selfies posing with accomplices — and often the loot they stole together.

But the era of easy law enforcement access to smartphones may be drawing to a close as courts and tech companies erect new barriers to police searches of popular electronic devices. The result, say law enforcement officials, legal experts and forensic analysts, is that more and more seized smartphones will end up as little more than shiny paperweights, with potentially incriminating secrets locked inside forever.

The irony, some say, is that while the legal and technical changes are fueled by anger over reports of mass surveillance by the National Security Agency, the consequences are being felt most heavily by police detectives, often armed with warrants certifying that a judge has found probable cause that a search of a smartphone will reveal evidence of a crime.

“The outrage is directed at warrantless mass surveillance, and this is a very different context. It’s searching a device with a warrant,” said Orin Kerr, a former Justice Department computer crimes lawyer who is now a professor at George Washington University.

Not all of the high-tech tools favored by police are in peril. They can still seek records of calls or texts from cellular carriers, eavesdrop on conversations and, based on the cell towers used, determine the general locations of suspects. Police can seek data backed up on remote cloud services, which increasingly keep copies of the data collected by smartphones. And the most sophisticated law enforcement agencies can deliver malicious software to phones capable of making them spy on users.

Yet the devices themselves are gradually moving beyond the reach of police in a range of circumstances, prompting ire from investigators. Frustration is running particularly high at Apple, which made the first announcement about new encryption and is moving much more swiftly than Google to get it into the hands of consumers.

“Apple will become the phone of choice for the pedophile,” said John J. Escalante, chief of detectives for Chicago’s police department. “The average pedophile at this point is probably thinking, I’ve got to get an Apple phone.”

The rising use of encryption is already taking a toll on the ability of law enforcement officials to collect evidence from smartphones. Apple in particular has been introducing tough new security measures for more than two years that have made it difficult for police armed with cracking software to break in. The new encryption is significantly tougher, experts say.

“There are some things you can do. There are some things the NSA can do. For the average mortal, I’d say they’re probably out of luck,” said Jonathan Zdziarski, a forensics researcher based in New Hampshire.

Los Angeles police Detective Brian Collins, who does forensics analysis for anti-gang and narcotics investigations, says he works on about 30 smartphones a month. And while he still can successfully crack into most of them, the percentage has been gradually shrinking — a trend he fears will only accelerate.

“I’ve been an investigator for almost 27 years,” Collins said, “It’s concerning that we’re beginning to go backwards with this technology.”

The new encryption initiatives by Apple and Google come after June’s Supreme Court ruling requiring police, in most circumstances, to get a search warrant before gathering data from a cellphone. The magistrate courts that typically issue search warrants, meanwhile, are more carefully scrutinizing requests amid the heightened privacy concerns that followed the NSA disclosures that began last year.

Civil liberties activists call this shift a necessary correction to the deterioration of personal privacy in the digital era — and especially since Apple’s introduction of the iPhone in 2007 inaugurated an era in which smartphones became remarkably intimate companions of people everywhere.

“Law enforcement has an enormous range of technical and old-fashioned methods to go after the perpetrators of real crime, and no amount of security effort at Silicon Valley tech companies is going to change that fact,” said Peter Eckersley, director of technology projects at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a civil liberties group based in San Francisco. “The reality is that if the FBI really wants to investigate someone, they have a spectacular arsenal of weapons.”

Sometimes, police say, that’s not enough.

Escalante, the Chicago chief of detectives, pointed to a case in which several men forced their way into the home of a retired officer in March and shot him in the face as his wife lay helplessly nearby. When the victim, Elmer Brown, 73, died two weeks later, city detectives working the case already were running low on useful leads.

But police got a break during a routine traffic stop in June, confiscating a Colt revolver that once belonged to Brown, police say. That led investigators to a Facebook post, made two days after the homicide, in which another man posed in a cellphone selfie with the same gun.

When police found the smartphone used for that picture, the case broke open, investigators say. Though the Android device was locked with a swipe code, a police forensics lab was able to defeat it to collect evidence; the underlying data was not encrypted. Three males, one of whom was a juvenile, eventually were arrested.

“You present them with a picture of themselves, taken with the gun, and it’s hard to deny it,” said Sgt. Richard Wiser, head of the Chicago violent crimes unit that investigated the case. “It played a huge role in this whole thing. As it was, it took six months to get them. Who knows how long it would have taken without this.”

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Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2014 06:07 am
@Walter Hinteler,
So... who do you think this "passenger" was? A soviet renegade?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2014 06:36 am
@Olivier5,
Seriously? An American - at least that's what his accent was alike and that of the companion of our MAD-person.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2014 07:01 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Ok. And did you REALLY spill real ink on that log book entry? Or is this a manner of speaking?

(Great story BTW)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2014 07:16 am
@Olivier5,
No, I didn't. But since I had to mention in the ship's log, why that page was missing. (It wasn't really "ink" but "Indian ink" [encre de Chine] - since I used it for correcting charts, the excuse was quite plausible.)
revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2014 08:01 am
@BillRM,
More than likely, something will be done, the companies will have to comply with some kind of orders.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2014 08:59 am
@Olivier5,
May I ask who is the poster who's soooo obsessed about me that he or she needs to thumb down each and every one of my posts, including such lame factual questions as: "did you really spilled ink?"

Some people...
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2014 09:47 am
@revelette2,
Quote:
More than likely, something will be done, the companies will have to comply with some kind of orders.


LOL there are other firms that are outside the control of the US government so any such order to google or Apple will just results in lost of sales to foreign companies as is already happening in many others areas such as cloud storage.

The US government can if they wish to and are allow to by powerful US companies can give away hundreds of billions of dollars of business to others nations but it will not stop counter actions that had been set in motion by the US government own out of control behaviors.

footnote I had refused to have a smart phone as up to this point their security have been lacking using a netbook instead that I could lock down and have no need to worry if the netbook might fall into dishonest hands.
revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2014 09:50 am
@Olivier5,
It wasn't me, but then I could be lying. Oddly, every time I post, perhaps it is the same for everyone one, there is a thumbs up, I get thumbed down quite a bit, sometimes I might get an extra thumbed up. I don't know why someone would thumb that one down though. The whole thing is kind of juvenile if used incorrectly, but sometimes if someone really says something profound, it is useful to show approval or perhaps in the other direction if someone says something just horrible. But just for a difference of opinion the way it seems we do it here in this thread, pretty juvenile most of the time. Perhaps we're all bored with repeating stuff daily. But when there is new information it's interesting. I've been thinking of checking out the facebook, but for some reason I am slightly intimated, plus, I don't want to get personal as that is the whole reason I like message forums.

revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2014 09:52 am
@BillRM,
Well, I am not too worried about the ones outside the US, more than likely, NSA will find a way around it. But the police need a way to track the phones and when they have a legitimate reason.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2014 10:03 am
@revelette2,
Quote:
But the police need a way to track the phones and when they have a legitimate reason.


They already have means and will always have means to track cell phones as by the very nature of cell phones the cell phone companies networks need to know where the cell phones happen to be located. In fact cell phones are always telling the networks where they happen to be.

People who carry any type cell phones are carrying around a location beacon but that is not the point the point is that all the private information that are normally contain within smart phones, that are in fact not all that small computers, can be locked down to the same degree that a netbook can be for example.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2014 10:10 am
@revelette2,
Quote:
It wasn't me, but then I could be lying.

Oh I believe you.

I can understand a thumb down because of a mere difference in opinion, but when I am asking a simple question about ink???? That's indeed very puerile behavior.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2014 10:48 am
@Walter Hinteler,
:-) as a teen I used to love drawing with China ink (or "Indian ink"). I should go back to it...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2014 11:00 am
@Olivier5,
Well, I don't it at school, too.
But on charts, you at first use an eraser knife to erase the printed subject, then draw (by hand) a new sign for a seamark, light house etc. And not just on one chart but on several ... per week.
 

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