@Frank Apisa,
Blah blah blah... Try and focus or I'll have to stop discussing with you. I know what I asked for, and it was not your OPINION. Capice?
@revelette2,
Be specific in your accusations here. To my knowledge, Snowden has not reveal led anything concerning targeted eavesdropping of terrorists which was not already known. Remember that OBL for instance avoided all telephone exchange, because he already knew that these we're being monitored.
@Frank Apisa,
I asked for facts, about which you had no clue.
@Frank Apisa,
I asked for facts, as a way to prove your ignorance of such facts. That's perfectly ok. You should go off your merry-go-round once in a while.
@cicerone imposter,
There are no charges, simply stating the information the press has revealed so far which is available for anyone to check out.
@Olivier5,
Well, not before we had had two years worth of phone conversations.
Quote:Then in 2008 Richard Clarke made mention of it in a “blip” in his book. At the time he was the highest former government official to even acknowledge the issue. He described it this way:
“Osama bin Laden once routinely communicated over a satellite telephone. The conversations gave us great insight into him and what he was doing (and, interestingly into his relations with his mother).
Then one day someone, who obviously was not thinking, revealed the fact to a newspaper that, exercising no discretion, published it. The calls stopped almost immediately.
Bin laden is now (remember this book was written in 2008) thought to use only face to face communications to avoid interception and tracking. I sometimes wonder if we could have learned enough about 9/11 plot to stop it had Bin Laden continued to use his satellite phone, had the newspapers not published that story, had the leaker been more observant of the laws” (pg 105).
source
It was simply a slip of the tongue somewhere.
@revelette2,
Okay, I see that report from the WSJ and others.
But, here's an interesting discussion on "Snowden clemency" from the national review.
Quote:Schweitzer is a shrewd politician, and one assumes that he has given his position on Snowden some thought. He appears to have concluded that defending Snowden will strengthen his civil libertarian bona fides, and that Kaplan’s contention that Snowden’s revelations materially damaged America’s ability to achieve legitimate foreign policy objectives is not enough to merit serious punishment. Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, another future presidential contender, has called for lenient treatment of Snowden, if not clemency. There are many smart people who agree with Kaplan on the one hand and Schweitzer on the other, and though I can’t imagine that the Obama administration will embrace the idea of lenient punishment or clemency, there are plenty of mainstream Democrats who favor it. I’m going to interview two very smart people on this subject on Friday, and I’ll be sure to report back.
On with the show!
@revelette2,
So way before 2001, OBL already knew enough about wire-tapping to avoid being intercepted. What makes you think Snowden has given away anything that was not out in the open already?
@Olivier5,
He knew it because someone leaked it, just like Snowden has leaked information other than just privacy concerns.
I doubt anyone here knows for certain what the value of the information Snowden released was to people who may intend us...or allies...harm.
Bottom line, though, is that he is not charged with a particular value given to a particular person or organization.
He is charged with stealing classified documents...and distributing them to people not authorized to receive them.
Those are the charges for which he must answer...and for which I hope he gets a fair trial.
It is not beyond the realm of possibility that the prosecutors will NEVER introduce anything about the value of the information to people who might intend us harm...and if they tried, it is not inconceivable that a judge might rule that such information has no pertinence to the issue being adjudicated and exclude it...filter it, so to speak.
@revelette2,
So that 90s leaker deserves to be prosecuted more than Snowden...
@Frank Apisa,
Sorry Frank, but who watches the watch men? You don't understand the illusion of ruling and the illusion of power. That's why you go back in circles, because you refuse to go against your deceitful country.
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
It is waste of time trying to reason with people with closed minds who refuse to see outside their own preconceived views.
You mean like people who write things that are totally false like this?
Rev wrote:Personally I do not like to think one man is in charge of deciding what will be harmful and will not.
One man is not in charge, but your closed mind and preconceptions stopped you bothering with facts.