Snowdon is a dummy

People that say "in your opinion", are not wise. The wise speak beyond ignorance and denial.

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@One Eyed Mind,

Keep on posting. Maybe some day you'll post one that I can decipher.

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@RABEL222,

It's not wise to rationalize your ignorance, friend. I understand every single post.

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@One Eyed Mind,

Good for you. Now could you rationalize it enough for me to understand your thinking. If you think your BS is showing how intelligent you are you should rethink your position.

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@RABEL222,

If you think this is BS, then it means this is wisdom. Didn't you know? Wisdom today is "BS", and "pseudo-philosophy". That's what people call it nowadays. Some people even call Science "evil" and "non-existent", aren't labels fun!

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
If you know something that impacts on what I've said or what Revelette has said ...why not tell me and everyone else?

I wasn't replying to revelette. Sorry that my response gave that indication.

You were addressing me...you used my name in your comment...you addressed it to me.

SO...if you know something that impacts on what I've said ...why not tell me and everyone else?

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Â²youÂ² wrote:
... he should stay put and enjoy his extra freedom; greater personal privacy; and the general better government afforded him in Russia.
I just think that you have not a correct idea about the rights of asylum seekers. It might well be that they enjoy a good live in the USA. But at least here in Germany (and elsewhere in Europe), it's rather miserable for them - but according to national and international law.

I was being sarcastic, Walter!

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There won't be a trial against this German "double agent" according to informations got by Spiegel/spiegel-online, the Federal Prosecution has the opinion not to have got enough evidence for raising charges against him. (He'll loose his job, though, because he gave false informations in his security check.)

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@Walter Hinteler,

So there was enough evidence to kick US intelligence officer out of Germany but not enough evidence to try the officer?

I seem to get more cynical by the day on this thread, but perhaps they just don't want to have open trial which perhaps would reveal more information than is already revealed.

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@revelette2,

He wasn't kicked out of Germany, he lost his job. I think you'll agree that there are lots of things that aren't necessarily illegal that can cause one to be fired.

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@izzythepush,

Germany kicks out top US intelligence officer in spy row

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BERLIN (AFP) – Germany on Thursday expelled the US secret services station chief in Berlin in an escalating row over alleged American spying against its long-time European ally.

The worst diplomatic rift in years comes after two suspected US spy cases were uncovered in less than a week in Germany, where anger still simmers over the NSA surveillance scandal sparked by fugitive intelligence contractor Edward Snowden.

“The representative of the US intelligence services at the embassy of the United States of America has been told to leave Germany,” government spokesman Steffen Seibert said, announcing a highly unusual move among NATO allies.

The demand was based on two probes by German prosecutors of suspected US spying “as well as outstanding questions over the last several months about the activities of the US secret services in Germany”, said Seibert.

“The government takes these developments very seriously,” he added in a statement. -

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@revelette2,

You can't try someone who has diplomatic immunity.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

So there was enough evidence to kick US intelligence officer out of Germany but not enough evidence to try the officer?

I seem to get more cynical by the day on this thread, but perhaps they just don't want to have open trial which perhaps would reveal more information than is already revealed.

We don't have secret trials here in Germany.
According to what is published at spiegel-online, the Federal Prosecution thinks that it's not enough for a trial.
I don't know why it is so, what evidence is not enough etc. There will be press conference (according to the quoted source) next week.

Some media ask today (still referring to the Spiegel report) if there has been a certain "pressure" from the USA .... [I would call that 'deal'.]

The German Foreign Office demanded the expulsion of the head of the CIA here.

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"We are confirming the individual who was asked to leave the country last week is no longer in Germany," a US embassy spokesman said.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

You can't try someone who has diplomatic immunity.

And that's exactly why it was done.

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I'll try my best to make it clearer what I was getting at.

Apparently Germany had enough evidence to kick the US intelligence officer out of Germany which was a notable event causing embarrassment to the US. But they don't enough evidence to try the German double agent in court in Germany.

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@revelette2,

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From what I understand, Snowden and his lawyers are asking for that justification defense be granted before he comes back rather than the usual way through the court. Once again asking for special favors and calling a fair trial.

Asking for a fair trial, rather. That's his only defense.

That such a defense would be made unavailable to anyone would be grossly unfair. Imagine the neighbour's house is on fire with a baby trapped inside. You courageously go in to save the baby. Next thing you know, you are arraigned and accused of trespassing private property (which you did of course) And in your trial, you are not allowed to even mention to the jury that you went in the house to save the baby!... That would have "kangaroo court" written all over it.

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Some media ask today (still referring to the Spiegel report) if there has been a certain "pressure" from the USA .... [I would call that 'deal'.]

Oh, well, of course, I wouldn't think those in Germany would think their own government might not want the whole thing out in the open in whatever way you guys try your criminals. It would have to be the US pressuring the Germany government.

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@Olivier5,

The laws are set up where you have to get your justification defense run by a judge to ok it. You don't get it done before you ever get in front of judge before showing up. You guys and Snowden and his lawyers want special privileges made in order for you guys to say it would be a fair trial.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

Apparently Germany had enough evidence to kick the US intelligence officer out of Germany which was a notable event causing embarrassment to the US. But they don't enough evidence to try the German double agent in court in Germany.

Our prosecution (including the Federal Prosecution) and judiciary generally are not connected in any way to the Foreign Office.

The prosecution acts according to the Code of Criminal Procedure (here "Dispensing with Prosecution of Criminal Offences", see § 153 following >link>)

I'm rather sure that this "double agent" will have to pay quite a bit of money.

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@RABEL222,

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In your opinion. And of course he wont return to find out if it is the citizens of the U S of A's opinion. Unless of course he can be guaranteed he'll be found innocent.

What I stated was factual, not an opinion. If you disagree with my statement, explain where and why. Don't cop out like this with some outrageous statement or another...

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

Apparently Germany had enough evidence to kick the US intelligence officer out of Germany which was a notable event causing embarrassment to the US. But they don't enough evidence to try the German double agent in court in Germany.

Well yes, you need a lot more evidence to put someone through a criminal trial than to expel a diplomat. (A diplomat can be kicked out with no evidence whatsoever.)

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