Snowdon is a dummy

@Frank Apisa,

Some seem to think that your editorial skills aren't quite as you have described [bragged about??] them, Frank.

Of course there are others, sheeple, who enthusiastically support those same editorial skills.

My feeling is that Nancy would be terribly disappointed in you, Frank.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

Some seem to think that your editorial skills aren't quite as you have described [bragged about??] them, Frank.

Of course there are others, sheeple, who enthusiastically support those same editorial skills.

My feeling is that Nancy would be terribly disappointed in you, Frank.

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/funny/1/vomit.gif

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@Frank Apisa,

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...you really shouldn't write that kind of stuff. It gets people like JTT much too upset!

Ah, Frank, I had no idea another poster would pounce on you because I paid you a compliment....that you're a remarkable poster; had I known I would not have done so; however, I believe you capable of defending your opinions, high standards of right and wrong and often making an impact on others, like me for instance.

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@Moment-in-Time,

JTT pounces on all Americans in addition to our government.

JTT is an angel in disquise; he and whatever country he belongs to have never fought in wars or killed innocent folks.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank, I would really appreciate you abstaining from vomiting all over a thread that has meaning to some of us.

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@cicerone imposter,

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JTT pounces on all Americans in addition to our government.

JTT is an angel in disquise; he and whatever country he belongs to have never fought in wars or killed innocent folks.

Hiya, CI. With respect to many critics outside my academic circles I'm considered a radical because of my usually outspoken comments against the US unjust policies; however, in the case of JTT whose hyperbolic criticism appear to be his justification for existing, I simply give up. Once I got a true picture of this poster I realized we shared nothing in common except the species, Homo Sapiens.

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@Moment-in-Time,

At the beginning, I almost "always" agreed with JTT's posts, but it got to the point of non-ending bashing of Americans and America. It just got tiresome and boring! I dare say he probably posted the same message using a thousand different words. I think he's suffering from some mental illness. I've never met anyone like him!

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@Moment-in-Time,

I can see Frank Apisa's view, but don't hold it myself.

To put it simply, I'm fine that Snowden exists and did what he did. I think. I'm glad we're talking about all this. I can see the ire from the spied on, and understand Walter and Izzythepush.

I question early motives (something about his signing up to work there to find stuff?)
On the other hand, we've got cootieville in Utah (or is it Nevada) as some kind of multimega spy station.

Are they connected to Halliburton yet?

(a cousin's child works for Halliburton. Don't get me started.)

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@ossobuco,

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To put it simply, I'm fine that Snowden exists and did what he did. I think. I'm glad we're talking about all this. I can see the ire from the spied on, and understand Walter and Izzie.

Hi, Ossobuco, good to hear your viewpoint. Firstly let me state I was sorry to hear of the loss of your dog; we grow so bonded with our pets, that it takes some time to recover from the loss.

Secondly, let me state categorically that I respect your views that Snowden was right in what he did; I, on the other hand, house the opposite views, believing he did a disservice to his country and has to pay the price.

Hey, life would be awfully dull if we all agreed alike, wouldn't it?

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@JPB,

JPB wrote:

Frank, I would really appreciate you abstaining from vomiting all over a thread that has meaning to some of us.

Okay...I will stop. From now on I will simply ignore JTT's posts. I will not put him on "IGNORE"...I will read his posts just as I reads the posts of everyone. But you are correct, just allowing him to stew without response is probably preferable to vomiting all over a decent thread.

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@Frank Apisa,

Many thanks.

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@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

I can see Frank Apisa's view, but don't hold it myself.

To put it simply, I'm fine that Snowden exists and did what he did. I think. I'm glad we're talking about all this. I can see the ire from the spied on, and understand Walter and Izzythepush.

I question early motives (something about his signing up to work there to find stuff?)
On the other hand, we've got cootieville in Utah (or is it Nevada) as some kind of multimega spy station.

Are they connected to Halliburton yet?

(a cousin's child works for Halliburton. Don't get me started.)

I'm with MIT on this one,Ossobuco. I think what Snowden did was far more than "whistleblowing"...although I have avoided calling it treason or espionage.

It was stupid, couterproductive, and has yielded a cost way out of proportion to what we are doing...which in my opinion, is probably more a positive for humankind than a negative. But only the passage of time will tell if I, and those on my side of the issue are correct...or if you, and those on your side of the issue are.

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@Moment-in-Time,

More complicatedly, I sometimes reverse views.
Heh, in contrast to many.

I've been recently watching Thomas change take somewhat over on the Florida trial thread. I've met Thomas and respect him highly.
That guy's eyes are awake.

I'm not so smart, I'm emotional with back up smarts, the emotional a zip line from my past experience.

I expect we will disagree.

No problemo.

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@ossobuco,

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More complicatedly, I sometimes reverse views.
Heh, in contrast to many.

I've been recently watching Thomas change take somewhat over on the Florida trial thread. I've met Thomas and respect him highly.
That guy's eyes are awake.

I'm not so smart, I'm emotional with back up smarts, the emotional a zip line from my past experience.

I expect we will disagree.

No problemo.

Ossobuco, I fully comprehend where you are coming from. Thank you.

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@Frank Apisa,

I'm lambent on whether it was stupid or not.
I'm also not all for him. I'm more ok that the situation is being discussed.

Lambent, how's that for an adjective? Just the first word in my brain fryer.

Skipping along, I'm still a mess. Diane and I had lunch today and I was quiet.
That is not usual.

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@Frank Apisa,

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which in my opinion, is probably more a positive for humankind than a negative.

A sane person, Frank, can't watch 1/2 a million Iraqi kids die at the hands of the US and say that.

A sane person, Frank, can't watch two countries get illegally invaded, probably another 1/2 a million Iraqi kids die, another how many hundreds of thousands of other Iraqis and Afghans at the hands of the US and say that.

You don't shock and awe people you are pretending to save. You don't use aggression to settle issues when you, as a country have made great pretensions that you have renounced it.

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If certain acts of violation of treaties are crimes, they are crimes whether the United States does them or whether Germany does them, and we are not prepared to lay down a rule of criminal conduct against others which we would not be willing to have invoked against us.
International Conference on Military Trials, London, 1945, Dept. of State Pub.No. 3080 (1949), p.330.

Did you study that in your history, MiT? I gues it doesn't apply when you rename war crimes and terrorism as "mistakes my country has made".

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A bit surprised to see that no one has been reading Jay Rosen on this (or on much else, as a search suggests). Jay is out of NYU and is, I think, the brightest media critic around. See pressthink.org and "the Snowden Effect".

This isn't really a patriot/traitor story. The press has a tendency to forward that framing because it is simple and dramatic (or one might say, rather stupid). It also has a tendency to forward that framing because that framing facilitates what existing power structures want and they are going to push it to the press who, again, being lazy, take the lead and run with it.

Those existing power structures don't want the boat rocked and thus try to push attention away from content: the whistle blower is homosexual or some other species of deviant, his/her motives are suspect, he/she is a disaffected odd (perhaps emotionally distrubed) person, etc. It's a standard method, whether forwarded by government or by corporate entities, to run an ad hominem and to thus distract attention from what has been revealed. It's predictable to 100%.

But in any case, read Rosen on this one.

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@blatham,

Another voice crying the wilderness ... ... Wink

Hi, Bernie!

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@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

I'm lambent on whether it was stupid or not.
I'm also not all for him. I'm more ok that the situation is being discussed.

Lambent, how's that for an adjective? Just the first word in my brain fryer.

Skipping along, I'm still a mess. Diane and I had lunch today and I was quiet.
That is not usual.

Be sure to say "Hi" to Diane for me. The last time we were together was historic...hysteric, as the case may be.

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@blatham,

It certainly is not a HERO situation...and as I said earlier, I doubt it to be a "traitor" one.

The fact is, though, that the "power structure" is in a damned if you do/damned if you don't situation...and if the public truly has a hand in all this, it should be to stop "damning" no matter what.

Revealing that countries spy on one another is like revealing that the saintliest among us sometimes get angry. The indignation reminds me of the indignation of one politician at the policies of another.

Hi, Bernie. You musta just read that comment I made to Ossobuco to say hello to Diane!

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