Snowdon is a dummy

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They are not interchangeable.

Re: Proof v Evidence, definitions.

You,

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They are not interchangeable.

Proof/Evidence: You are stupid.

The two words have the same meaning - in the English language.

Proof = Evidence, and Evidence = Proof. That's how most dictionaries define these two words.

You evidently don't care about dictionary definitions, since you "believe" your interpretations are better! LOL

On this thread, I rarely agree with Frank. Here I do.

There's a good example, I've learnt when working with the police:
you need to find a lot of (different) evidence to finally have the proof.

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13JAN2012: I would NEVER ask for "proof" that gods exist or that gods do not exist. I am convinced such proof does not exist and such a request would be unfair and fruitless. I would assume the "assertion" was actually a "guess"...and only ask for the evidence upon which the guess that “gods exist” or “gods do not exist” is based…and then comment on that evidence.

13JAN2012:What evidence do you see that gods exist?
What evidence do you see that gods do not exist?

http://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/view/36045/fbi-can-activate-webcams-remotely-without-the-light-coming-on/

FBI Can Activate Webcams Remotely Without the Light Coming On
09 December 2013

Whether hackers are able to remotely switch on victims' webcams without the camera light giving the game away has been the subject of some debate. Now we learn that not only can it be done, it is done by the FBI.

When Miss Teen USA announced she had been blackmailed over nude photos taken via her webcam, she said, "I wasn't aware that somebody was watching me [on my webcam]. The [camera] light didn't even go on, so I had no idea."

Is that possible, asked Naked Security. "Can webcams be rigged so as to record without the light coming on?" Chester Wisniewski, senior security advisor at Sophos, responded, "Some laptops allow you to turn the light on and off in software, others only work physically. I think it is certainly possible, if unlikely."

Now we learn, in a report published by The Washington Post, it is not only possible, it is done by the FBI. Details came to light in a Post article on court documents seeking – and gaining – authority to hack a suspect's personal computer and place spyware on it. "The FBI’s elite hacker team," reports the Post, "designed a piece of malicious software that was to be delivered secretly when Mo [the suspect] signed on to his Yahoo e-mail account, from any computer anywhere in the world, according to the documents." The method used is a classic spear-phishing attack. In this particular incident, the attack worked, but the malware failed.

However, the purpose was to obtain any information possible to tie Mo into bomb threats made shortly after 12 people were shot in a movie theater in Denver in July 2012. "The most powerful FBI surveillance software can covertly download files, photographs and stored e-mails, or even gather real-time images by activating cameras connected to computers, say court documents and people familiar with this technology", continues the Post.

According to Marcus Thomas, a former assistant director of the FBI’s Operational Technology Division in Quantico, and now on the advisory board of Subsentio, "The FBI has been able to covertly activate a computer’s camera — without triggering the light that lets users know it is recording — for several years, and has used that technique mainly in terrorism cases or the most serious criminal investigations." It is apparently used sparingly to avoid the practice becoming common knowledge through the court applications for authority.

That authority is not automatically granted. One application noted by the Post and not involving Mo – which included the plan to activate the suspect's webcam – "was rejected by a federal magistrate in Houston, who ruled that it was 'extremely intrusive' and could violate the Fourth Amendment."

Nevertheless, it raises the possibility that this type of surveillance has been used by the FBI, and possibly other government agencies, without general public knowledge. "We have transitioned into a world where law enforcement is hacking into people’s computers, and we have never had public debate,” said Christopher Soghoian, principal technologist for the American Civil Liberties Union. "Judges are having to make up these powers as they go along."

French news site Numerama gives it wider relevance: "Webcam Kinect will probably no longer be seen in the same way as formerly by many players..."

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Frank, Here again are your statements (and they are not about math which usually defines the difference between proof and evidence).
You are asking a philosophical question that cannot be answered.

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Your posts,
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13JAN2012: I would NEVER ask for "proof" that gods exist or that gods do not exist. I am convinced such proof does not exist and such a request would be unfair and fruitless. I would assume the "assertion" was actually a "guess"...and only ask for the evidence upon which the guess that “gods exist” or “gods do not exist” is based…and then comment on that evidence.

13JAN2012:What evidence do you see that gods exist?
What evidence do you see that gods do not exist?

In this instance, "what proof do you see that gods exist?" and "what evidence do you see that gods exist?" is the same. On this topic, proof and evidence has the same meaning.

The leaders of the US intelligence agencies were holding talks at the White House on Wednesday as US president Barack Obama neared a decision on curbing the National Security Agency’s controversial bulk surveillance powers.

Obama was meeting the leadership of the US spy agencies and his privacy and civil liberties oversight board, to be followed on Thursday by additional meetings with key congressional leaders.

Legislators critical of the NSA’s bulk domestic phone records collection, such as senators Ron Wyden and Mark Udall and congressman James Sensenbrenner, were expected to attend.

According to the White House, Obama has yet to decide which NSA and FBI authorities to restrict and which to ratify. An announcement could come as early as next week, and the White House has said it will occur before the state of the union address on 28 January.

prove
pro͞ov/Submit
verb
1.
demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument.
"the concept is difficult to prove"
synonyms: show (to be true), demonstrate (the truth of), show beyond doubt, manifest, produce proof/evidence;

proof
pro͞of/Submit
noun
1.
evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.
"you will be asked to give proof of your identity"
synonyms: evidence, verification, corroboration, authentication, confirmation, certification, documentation, validation, attestation, substantiation More

ev·i·dence
ˈevədəns/Submit
noun
1.
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Frank, One last time; there is no proof or evidence of any god. They are 'GUESSES.' The proof/evidence is that humans have created gods since we were able to communicate. That's the only proof/evidence we humans have concerning gods.

clois·ter
ˈkloistər/Submit
noun

verb: cloister; 3rd person present: cloisters; past tense: cloistered; past participle: cloistered; gerund or present participle: cloistering
1.
seclude or shut up in or as if in a convent or monastery.

The government isn't allowed to wiretap American citizens without a warrant from a judge. But there are plenty of legal ways for law enforcement, from the local sheriff to the FBI to the Internal Revenue Service, to snoop on the digital trails you create every day. Authorities can often obtain your emails and texts by going to Google or AT&T with a simple subpoena that doesn’t require showing probable cause of a crime. And recent revelations about classified National Security Agency surveillance programs show that the government is regularly sweeping up data on Americans’ telephone calls and has the capability to access emails, files, online chats and other data — all under secret oversight by a special federal court.

The breadth of and justification for the surveillance are the subjects of ongoing debate in Washington. President Obama and others have defended the programs as necessary to identify terrorists and stop attacks before they happen, but privacy advocates and several U.S. lawmakers have questioned them.

You're locked into "your" definition for these words that doesn't make any sense when discussing philosophy. You have a stubbornness problem as well as being unable to accept facts presented by several sources about word definitions.

You live in a strange world where you believe your definitions take precedence over philosophy forums and most dictionaries.

Fine; live in your cloister of ignorance!

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clois·ter
ˈkloistər/Submit
noun

verb: cloister; 3rd person present: cloisters; past tense: cloistered; past participle: cloistered; gerund or present participle: cloistering
1.
seclude or shut up in or as if in a convent or monastery.

ev·i·dence
ˈevədəns/Submit
noun
1.
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.