Snowdon is a dummy

The thing about Apisa is that he is 77 and the NSA can do very little to affect him at this stage. What the NSA might do if left unhindered for somebody with a good few decades still to go is not something an aged solipsist would think of considering.

The chances of Big Brother arriving in Apisa's time are a lot less than Him arriving in a 20 year old's lifetime.

Opinion polls show that support for Mr Snowden gets stronger with the length of the prospective lifetimes get longer.

but with discrimination against blacks and women still so common in our country, we still have a long ways to go!

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/01/activists-confess-to-1971-fbi-office-burglary.html


Activists Confess to 1971 Burglary That Exposed FBI Surveillance
By Margaret Hartmann

Forty-three years after pulling off a burglary that is mostly-forgotten today, but played a key role in ending FBI spying programs targeting dissident groups, members of an eight-person crew of anti-Vietnam protesters are confessing to the crime. Like Edward Snowdens of the seventies, the activists stole thousands of files and passed them on to major media outlets, inspiring multiple front-page reports and eventually more oversight of intelligence agencies. However, unlike the NSA leaker, they obtained the documents by breaking into an FBI office in a suburb of Philadelphia and stuffing papers into multiple suitcases. And since they were never apprehended or forced to go on the run, for the past four decades they've lived seemingly normal lives.
One of the reporters who received those materials has written a book on subject, and convinced five of the eight people who burglarized the the FBI office in Media, Pa., on March 8, 1971 to go public. Unmasking themselves for the first time, several burglars tell the New York Times that their aim was to show the public that J. Edgar Hoover was aggressively targeting dissident groups. The peace activists formed a plan to break into the office and snatch any files they could find, hoping they might provide some evidence. The group included grad students, college professors, and a cab driver. John and Bonnie Raines had three young children at the time and made plans for who would care for them if they were sent to prison.
After casing the office for months, the group broke in on the night of the Muhammad Ali-Joe Frazier fight and emptied the filing cabinets into suitcases. They reconvened a a farmhouse an hour away, and began sifting through the documents. After sending the evidence to several newspaper reporters, the group never met again.
The documents revealed plans for increased surveillance of various left-wing groups, and efforts by the FBI to sow paranoia among leftists by encouraging the idea that "there is an FBI agent behind every mailbox." Years later, the leak led to the discovery of a blackmail letter from FBI agents to Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., threatening to expose his extramarital affairs if he didn't commit suicide.
The files helped spark a Senate investigation into domestic intelligence gathering in the mid-seventies that led to various reforms. Though the FBI tasked 200 agents with finding the burglars, the agency never solved the case. The Raineses, who are pictured in The Times with their grandchildren, don't explain how their kids learned that their normal-looking parents were actually burglars and whistleblowers. John Raines said they must look like "terribly reckless people," for doing such a thing with three children at home, but explained they felt no one else would do it. "There was absolutely no one in Washington — senators, congressmen, even the president — who dared hold J. Edgar Hoover to accountability," he said.
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It is that what you consider evidence is not proof that Snowden did wrong. Or has hurt us.

the odds are good that the next President will be a woman by the name of Hillary.

Look for the Republicans to take the White House in 2016. They'll likely hold it for awhile

oralloy wrote:

Look for the Republicans to take the White House in 2016. They'll likely hold it for awhile.

Only by using methods as in the book "Seven Days in May" IE a military coup would that be likely.........

Taking our vital intelligence secrets and publishing them where our enemies can read them, is wrong, and is injurious to us.

Hate to burst your bubble, but I'm 78, so it's not about age!

Fast forward to today. My brother is Mayor of his town (2d time), and served two terms in the California state legislature. Our family is now made up of Germans, British, Dutch, Russian, Italian, Chinese, and Polynesian.

I call that progress with a capital P; all in one generation.

Your insistence that what you believe to be guesses are better than what has been proven to be against the US Constitution implies you are the "smarter one," and knows the right answer.

Here's another language lesson for you, Frank.

Quote:

im·ply
imˈplī/Submit
verb
3rd person present: implies
1.
strongly suggest the truth or existence of (something not expressly stated).
"the salesmen who uses jargon to imply his superior knowledge"
synonyms: insinuate, suggest, hint (at), intimate, say indirectly, indicate, give someone to understand, convey the impression,

I don't need to have taught Constitutional Law; I understand English and what the Constitution states.

"May or may not happen" is not the issue; the ISSUE is the government overstepping its bounds beyond its purview based on the US Constitution.

They swore to uphold the Constitution when they took office.

A lot of things may or may not happen... We could start a thread to list them. My entry is: vital anti-terrorist information may or may not come out of my arse.

"May or may not happen" is not the issue; the ISSUE is the government overstepping its bounds beyond its purview based on the US Constitution.

They swore to uphold the Constitution when they took office.