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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 02:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You,
Quote:
What does that have to do with "either information will be obtained or it will not be obtained?"


That's not even relevant! What's relevant is their breaking the laws established by our Constitution.


I probably should have mentioned this earlier:

You do not determine who is or who is not breaking the laws established by our Constitutions, ci. That is a job for the SCOTUS.

glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 02:49 pm
How a nobody gets to be a somebody 101
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 02:59 pm
@Frank Apisa,
That's where you are wrong; the government is established by the people, and therefore answerable to the citizens of this country.

Unfortunately, the members of SCOTUS have lifetime terms of office.

The Constitution IS the law of this land.
parados
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 03:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The citizens can overturn any Supreme Court ruling by amending the Constitution.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 03:03 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Forbes Thought Of The Day
“ Our American heritage is threatened as much by our own indifference as it is by the most unscrupulous office or by the most powerful foreign threat. The future of this republic is in the hands of the American voter. ”
— Dwight D. Eisenhower
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 03:04 pm
@Frank Apisa,
You,
Quote:
Whatever the definition, ci, what I said earlier is correct. You seem to call people stupid or ignorant way, way too frequently these days.


If the definition fits....
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 03:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

That's where you are wrong; the government is established by the people, and therefore answerable to the citizens of this country.

Unfortunately, the members of SCOTUS have lifetime terms of office.

The Constitution IS the law of this land.


And the SCOTUS determines what meets the requirements of that document, ci...not you, not I, not Edward Snowden.

You seem unwilling to concede that.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 03:05 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Quote:
Forbes Thought Of The Day
“ Our American heritage is threatened as much by our own indifference as it is by the most unscrupulous office or by the most powerful foreign threat. The future of this republic is in the hands of the American voter. ”
— Dwight D. Eisenhower



Fine.

But until the next election...we have to go with what we have right now.

Next election you can help get a very conservative Republican elected...and all will be better.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 03:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You,
Quote:
Whatever the definition, ci, what I said earlier is correct. You seem to call people stupid or ignorant way, way too frequently these days.


If the definition fits....


Well...it doesn't. I am not ignorant...I am not stupid.

Sorry you think that I am...whether it is because my commentary is ignorant or stupid...or because you think anyone who disagrees with you must be doing so because of ignorance or stupidity.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 03:07 pm
@Frank Apisa,
SCOTUS is not doing its job on many issues, and have overstepped its boundaries when they interfered in the Florida elections.

In other words, they are fallible.

Quote:
fal·li·ble
ˈfaləbəl/Submit
adjective
1.
capable of making mistakes or being erroneous.
"experts can be fallible"
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 03:08 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

SCOTUS is not doing its job on many issues, and have overstepped its boundaries when they interfered in the Florida elections.

In other words, they are fallible.

Quote:
fal·li·ble
ˈfaləbəl/Submit
adjective
1.
capable of making mistakes or being erroneous.
"experts can be fallible"



Well...now you want to be the determinant of whether the SCOTUS is doing its job correctly or not.

You apparently think you are "infallible."

Perhaps you are running for Pope.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 03:09 pm
@Frank Apisa,
You,
Quote:
But until the next election...we have to go with what we have right now.


I've never denied that, but you're missing the whole point of this issue; they are breaking the laws of our Constitutional guarantees.

That doesn't make them right in any way shape or form.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 03:10 pm
@Frank Apisa,
You,
Quote:
Well...now you want to be the determinant of whether the SCOTUS is doing its job correctly or not.


No, Frank, it's the Constitution that determines who's right and who's wrong.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 03:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
WHAT IS THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY?


The right to privacy is not mentioned in the Constitution, but the Supreme Court has said that several of the amendments create this right. One of the amendments is the Fourth Amendment, which stops the police and other government agents from searching us or our property without "probable cause" to believe that we have committed a crime. Other amendments protect our freedom to make certain decisions about our bodies and our private lives without interference from the government - which includes the public schools.


The SCOTUS is breaking their own rules - or are not consistent in their interpretation of our rights to privacy.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 03:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You,
Quote:
But until the next election...we have to go with what we have right now.


I've never denied that, but you're missing the whole point of this issue; they are breaking the laws of our Constitutional guarantees.



That is your opinion, ci. Your opinion IS NOT the law of the land. The SCOTUS has not indicated that any laws are being broken. YOU do not get to rule that "they" (whoever you think "they" are) are breaking the laws of "our Constitutional guarantees."


That doesn't make them right in any way shape or form.


Quote:
That doesn't make them right in any way shape or form.


And the fact that you are unilaterally declaring them "wrong" does not make them wrong in any shape or form.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 03:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You,
Quote:
Well...now you want to be the determinant of whether the SCOTUS is doing its job correctly or not.


No, Frank, it's the Constitution that determines who's right and who's wrong.


No, ci...the Constitution is just a piece of parchment.

The SCOTUS determines what we have been discussing.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 03:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
From ACLU.org.
Quote:
But in order to really participate, we need to know our rights - otherwise we may lose them. The highest law in our land is the U.S. Constitution, which has some amendments, known as the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights guarantees that the government can never deprive people in the U.S. of certain fundamental rights including the right to freedom of religion and to free speech and the due process of law. Many federal and state laws give us additional rights, too.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 03:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Quote:
WHAT IS THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY?


The right to privacy is not mentioned in the Constitution, but the Supreme Court has said that several of the amendments create this right. One of the amendments is the Fourth Amendment, which stops the police and other government agents from searching us or our property without "probable cause" to believe that we have committed a crime. Other amendments protect our freedom to make certain decisions about our bodies and our private lives without interference from the government - which includes the public schools.


The SCOTUS is breaking their own rules - or are not consistent in their interpretation of our rights to privacy.


You have a right to that opinion.

But all it remains...an opinion.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 03:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

From ACLU.org.
Quote:
But in order to really participate, we need to know our rights - otherwise we may lose them. The highest law in our land is the U.S. Constitution, which has some amendments, known as the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights guarantees that the government can never deprive people in the U.S. of certain fundamental rights including the right to freedom of religion and to free speech and the due process of law. Many federal and state laws give us additional rights, too.



The ACLU has a right to its opinion also. But that remains just an opinion also.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jan, 2014 03:19 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank, Don't you understand simple English? I said the law of the land is the US Constitution. Imprint that in your brain - if that's at all possible.
 

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