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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
BillRM
 
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Wed 6 Nov, 2013 04:11 pm
@izzythepush,
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You're an idiot, what you're posting is very old news. The only new thing is a change of name.
Our armed specialist units are highly trained, unlike in the US where everyone is routinely armed.


Not from your own news sources as this is a whole new organization with all kind of special powers. A British FBI kind of outfit for the first time in your history.

But perhaps you do not read your own news.

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spendius
 
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Wed 6 Nov, 2013 04:14 pm
@BillRM,
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Of course you are not free to own firearms


In From Here To Eternity somebody tells Sgt. Warden (Lancaster) that he intends killing some other serviceman. Warden asks him not to because it will involve him in two weeks paper work.

Maybe allowing you to kill and injure each other at will is an attempt to boost the paperwork party and keep unemployment down now that only a small percentage of the population is needed to supply the necessities.

How many man hours are consumed for each incident corrected for the minimum wage. Including the trigger-happy preparedness resulting from shootings being so commonplace.

We were told that L.A. is the world centre of excellence in the treatment of gunshot injuries.

And the US closed its pubs for a time.

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izzythepush
 
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Wed 6 Nov, 2013 04:40 pm
@BillRM,
The thing you really find so shocking is that we've not had a nutter run riot in a School since Dunblane in 1996. I know that horrifies you, because you couldn't really imagine living in a society that values children's lives.

If you think the establishment of the NCA is anything more than a gloried name change you're a ******* idiot. Don't read the papers if you don't understand them.
BillRM
 
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Wed 6 Nov, 2013 04:55 pm
@izzythepush,
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If you think the establishment of the NCA is anything more than a gloried name change you're a ******* idiot. Don't read the papers if you don't understand them.


Right boyfriend even if your main papers happen to disagree with your above comment what the hell.
spendius
 
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Wed 6 Nov, 2013 06:12 pm
@BillRM,
We don't take any ******* notice of newspapers Bill. They are so corrupt they make the Taliban look like Simple Simon.
spendius
 
  1  
Wed 6 Nov, 2013 06:16 pm
@BillRM,
Have you never seen a French version of Occupy Wall Street Bill?

Your lot looked like an ad for a weedkiller.
BillRM
 
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Wed 6 Nov, 2013 07:48 pm
@spendius,
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Your lot looked like an ad for a weedkiller.


My lot???????????
JTT
 
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Wed 6 Nov, 2013 08:39 pm
@spendius,
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They are so corrupt they make the Taliban look like Simple Simon.


They make the Taliban look like a lot of other US sponsored groups.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 7 Nov, 2013 03:43 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Your lot looked like an ad for a weedkiller.


My lot???????????


English idiom for what in New Jersey would be, "youse guys"
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BillRM
 
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Thu 7 Nov, 2013 09:24 am
Just found out that the cables that NSA was tapping between google data centers was leased point to point cables with the information on millions of users never going out on the public internet when being share between those centers.

This would be the same legally/morally as tapping millions of land line phones one by one.

As this system used private cables google never dream that this information was not secure as it would take a major government to tapped them a task well beyond criminals at the very least.

Now thanks to Snowdon google is rushing to encrypt all traffic on those cables.
JTT
 
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Thu 7 Nov, 2013 10:00 am
@BillRM,
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Now thanks to Snowdon google is rushing to encrypt all traffic on those cables.


To your knowledge, Bill, has Google ever made any arrangements to share data/to provide backdoor portals with/to the NSA?
BillRM
 
  1  
Thu 7 Nov, 2013 11:27 am
@JTT,
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To your knowledge, Bill, has Google ever made any arrangements to share data/to provide backdoor portals with/to the NSA?


Its seems unlikely that they would do so at least outside US territory where US national security letters have no legal power/standing and host nations laws do.

Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 7 Nov, 2013 01:01 pm
Ex-CIA chief: 'Snowden is a traitor'
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Former head of central intelligence James Woolsey tells DW the US would never sign a binding no-spy pact. He also doesn't recall, but can't exclude, that phones of Chancellor Kohl were monitored during his tenure.
JTT
 
  0  
Thu 7 Nov, 2013 01:17 pm
@BillRM,
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US national security letters


That's a euphemism for "totalitarian state".
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BillRM
 
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Thu 7 Nov, 2013 01:19 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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US would never sign a binding no-spy pact


I wonder if that leave a pretend binding no-spy agreement? Drunk .

The problem is this nonsense is going to prove more and more costly going forward as no one will trust firms operating under US laws not even US citizens with private information.

For example I would never suggest that anyone sign up for a VPN or cloud services base in either the UK or the US.

An of course more and more security measures will be taken outside the US to block out the NSA spying.

Liverson, who out of principle shut, down a business he had taken ten years building stated under current US laws you can not trust any US base firms with your private information.

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spendius
 
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Thu 7 Nov, 2013 02:24 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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Former head of central intelligence James Woolsey tells DW the US would never sign a binding no-spy pact. He also doesn't recall, but can't exclude, that phones of Chancellor Kohl were monitored during his tenure.


Which suggests that he was more interested in others than in Chancellor Kohl. His next door neighbours maybe.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 7 Nov, 2013 03:52 pm
Today, the British spy bosses had a different view when interviewed in Parliament, but:
Snooping on ordinary citizens by American and European spy agencies ‘in breach of European law’
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American and European spy agencies which snoop on ordinary citizens could be in breach of European law, a report presented to MEPs has said.

Government officials from Britain – which is also facing scrutiny over alleged snooping by its GCHQ spy agency – have insisted that such security issues fall outside the competency of the EU. But the legal study by the Centre for European Policy Studies (Ceps) think-tank and Leiden University found that electronic surveillance by the US National Security Agency (NSA) and European intelligence bodies could breach EU law on the rights of citizens. “We are all aware of current justifications which have been given by certain member state governments and law enforcement authorities saying this is national security,” said Sergio Carrera, a senior research fellow at Ceps.

The study, however, found that “member states’ surveillance programmes are incompatible with democratic rule- of-law principles,” he said.
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hingehead
 
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Thu 7 Nov, 2013 07:14 pm
Twitter is bubbling with the NYT's story on AT&T selling phone logs to the CIA
http://rt.com/usa/cia-att-savage-logs-382/

Another great apparatus for moving schleps (taxpayers) money to business ;-)
RABEL222
 
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Thu 7 Nov, 2013 08:32 pm
@hingehead,
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Another great apparatus for moving schleps (taxpayers) money to business ;-)


But,but, thats why big business put them in office. To take from the poor and give to the rich. Where in the hell do you live that you dont know that?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 8 Nov, 2013 03:53 pm
UK blocks attempt by Council of Europe to examine online spying:
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Foreign Office move delays agreement by 47-member human rights watchdog on inquiry into gathering electronic data

Britain is holding up an agreement on internet freedom among the 47 members of Europe's human rights watchdog after objecting to a probe into the gathering of "vast amounts of electronic data" by intelligence agencies.

In a sign of Britain's determination to protect the work of GCHQ and other intelligence agencies, the government is declining to endorse a political declaration by the Council of Europe that could limit the ability of "security agencies" to gather electronic data.

Shami Chakrabarti, the director of Liberty, said that the tactics risked turning Britain into an "arrogant bad boy on the world stage".

Britain intervened during a Council of Europe ministerial conference on Friday in Belgrade – Freedom of Expression and Democracy in the Digital Age – where a 14-page document was due to be signed by the 47 members of the body which established the European Convention on Human Rights.

The document, entitled Political Declaration and Resolutions, says that the Council of Europe should examine whether the gathering of data by intelligence agencies is consistent with the European Convention on Human Rights.

The disputed section of the draft declaration says: "We invited the Council of Europe to ... examine closely, in the light of the requirements of the European Convention on Human Rights, the question of gathering vast amounts of electronic communications data on individuals by security agencies, the deliberate building of flaws and 'backdoors' in the security system of the internet or otherwise deliberately weakening encryption systems."
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Britain had no objection to other sections in the draft declaration, presented at the meeting in Belgrade this week, which warned that mass surveillance could undermine or destroy democracy and said that the openness of the internet should be preserved.

On the threat to democracy, the declaration said: "Data can be collected and processed for a legitimate aim including the objectives set out in the Council of Europe's Statute. Any data collection or surveillance for the purpose of protection of national security must be done in compliance with existing human rights and rule of law requirements, including Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights.

On the threat to democracy, the declaration said: "Data can be collected and processed for a legitimate aim including the objectives set out in the Council of Europe's Statute. Any data collection or surveillance for the purpose of protection of national security must be done in compliance with existing human rights and rule of law requirements, including Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights.

"Given the growing technological capabilities for electronic mass surveillance and the resulting concerns, we emphasise that there must be adequate and effective guarantees against abuse which may undermine or even destroy democracy."

On preserving internet openness, the declaration says: "We renew our commitment to do no harm to the internet and to preserve its universality, integrity and openness. Any measure, including blocking and filtering, that might interfere with people's freedom to access and communication via the internet must be taken in compliance with international human rights law."
 

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