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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
BillRM
 
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Sun 27 Oct, 2013 05:19 pm
@RABEL222,
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Does Merkle fit this bill?


As Frank would say you never know and therefore the whole damn planet population should be spy on just to be on the safe side!!!!!!
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BillRM
 
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Sun 27 Oct, 2013 05:24 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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So would I. Billrm certainly knows how to butcher the English language.


You both should get a job with NSA if you do not know my meaning!!!!!!!!

A whole lot of Americans seems to had broken German laws on German soil so if the US have a right to demand Snowdon return to face a trial on US soil then all those Americans should be send to Germany to face trials also.
BillRM
 
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Sun 27 Oct, 2013 05:28 pm
@Olivier5,
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I agree the NSA's in fault because it hired poorly vetted people, but it's easier to check on 1000 people than it is to check on 26,000 people. The very idea to go for a massive spying operation was ALREADY poor management, or bad foresight.


To say nothing that massive spying on the world population including US citizens is likely to be more of a moral problem. for those who know about it, then the more limited government on government and of course terrorists spying that was suppose to be the charter of NSA.
JTT
 
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Sun 27 Oct, 2013 05:34 pm
@BillRM,
That's exactly what I understood, Bill.

There's a lot of faux language experts on A2K, and Frank is one of them. MiT too, I guess.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 27 Oct, 2013 05:47 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

It is a possibility that the traditional intelligence community might have an interest in scuppering the mass surveillance programs. Such programs, with practice and investment, might render it redundant and replace the secret agents with a bunch of computer nerds sitting in bunkers in Utah. If PRISM catches terrorists then bigger and better PRISMS catches them all.

Just as DNA evidence tends to replace detectives and drones to replace the military.

I'm not claiming that Snowden is part of a turf war between agencies but guessing that he isn't with no evidence is not something Apisa approves of. He is constantly asserting that "To acknowledge what you do not know, is a display of strength. To pretend you know what you truly don't, is a display of weakness."

Efficiency of operations always costs jobs as the Luddites said. Spy thriller movies will go the way of invisible ink and Mata Haris.


You cannot help but mention me, can you, Spendius.

Obsession is more than a perfume.
spendius
 
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Sun 27 Oct, 2013 05:56 pm
@JTT,
Would you not want to discuss Knight and Day either JTT?

It is probably quite interesting what people who like that sort of shite add up to.

I read that Cruise was small enough to be a jockey but chose acting due to being frightened of horses.

And the idea that Diaz is sexy is strictly for the misogynists.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 27 Oct, 2013 06:23 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Would you not want to discuss Knight and Day either JTT?

It is probably quite interesting what people who like that sort of shite add up to.


I just want to discuss stuff with you that I think is appropriate for discussions with you, Spendius.

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I read that Cruise was small enough to be a jockey but chose acting due to being frightened of horses.


My guess is that you never read anything of the sort. My guess is that you made that up.

Cruise was short (now 5' 6")...but was never really small...so I doubt he ever really wanted to be a jockey. It is reported that he wanted to be an actor from a very early age.

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And the idea that Diaz is sexy is strictly for the misogynists.


If you do not find Diaz (who is tall 5'9") sexy...chances are it has nothing to do with misogyny...but with a totally different situation.

I find her very sexy...and I am not a misogynist.

Now see, Spendius, we are talking together. Isn't it delightful? And we are on subject matter that is appropriate.

You ought really to see Knight and Day...and we can discuss it. Having a discussion about that might help you with your obsession.
JTT
 
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Sun 27 Oct, 2013 06:45 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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You cannot help but mention me, can you, Spendius.

Obsession is more than a perfume.


Ho hum, you've been there, you've done that routine, Frank, god knows how many times. Rolling Eyes

Shouldn't an editorial writer kinda try to mix up his stuff a wee bit?
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Olivier5
 
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Mon 28 Oct, 2013 05:18 am
@spendius,
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And the idea that Diaz is sexy is strictly for the misogynists.

Rather, it's for the blind.
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Olivier5
 
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Mon 28 Oct, 2013 05:29 am
@BillRM,
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To say nothing that massive spying on the world population including US citizens is likely to be more of a moral problem.

Yes, that too. The evolution of the American nation is quite scary. Bowie said it best.

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spendius
 
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Mon 28 Oct, 2013 06:52 am
@Frank Apisa,
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I just want to discuss stuff with you that I think is appropriate for discussions with you, Spendius.


Try my latest Acronym.

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Cruise was short (now 5' 6")...but was never really small...so I doubt he ever really wanted to be a jockey.


I can't imagine a bloke who might do 8 stone 4 pounds, with diet and training, who would not want to be a jockey.

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I find her very sexy...and I am not a misogynist.


She presents an image similar to that of a fancy cake all got up for your misogynistic delectation. She aims to please.

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You ought really to see Knight and Day...and we can discuss it.


I haven't been in a cinema for a very long time. And I don't have a video these days. But what do you want to discuss about it? Isn't it just a business proposition? Why do I "really ought" to see that movie? What might I learn? What did you learn from it?

I have offered one or two interesting angles on the Snowden affair and you give evidence of being a bit obsessed with avoiding them.

Olivier5
 
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Mon 28 Oct, 2013 07:05 am
@spendius,
Code:I have offered one or two interesting angles on the Snowden affair and you give evidence of being a bit obsessed with avoiding them.

Why, do you think Franky's cinephilic passion is not entirely genuine, and might have something to do with his embarasment over Snowden?
spendius
 
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Mon 28 Oct, 2013 07:40 am
@Olivier5,
I think it is merely a NJ smarty-pants conversational gambit having become a habit through want of being laughed at by cowed companions.

Did you see Obarmy keep touching Merkel on the back and putting on his big smile as if to reassure her that she's his friend?

She should have handed him a banana.
JPB
 
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Mon 28 Oct, 2013 09:17 am
Incredible!

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Spiegel has a lot more, including some revealing information about how the NSA uses the US embassy in Berlin to intercept all kinds of communications.

But then there's this incredible claim: President Obama insists he had no idea about it when he spoke to Merkel:

Merkel spoke with Obama on Wednesday afternoon, calling him from her secure landline in her Chancellery office. Both spoke English. According to the Chancellery, the president said that he had known nothing of possible monitoring, otherwise he would have stopped it. Obama also expressed his deepest regrets and apologized.

Now, remember, this is the very same President Obama, who just a couple months ago claimed that every time more Snowden news broke, it would be the first he'd heard about some of these programs, and he'd have to go ask the NSA what they were really doing. Could this be one of those situations? It seems almost impossible to believe that the NSA would be spying on the head of state of one of our closest allies without the President being aware. As the Spiegel report notes, those kinds of orders would have to be renewed with approval from the top:

Among the politically decisive questions is whether the spying was authorized from the top: from the US president. If the data is accurate, the operation was authorized under former President George W. Bush and his NSA chief, Michael Hayden. But it would have had to be repeatedly approved, including after Obama took office and up to the present time. Is it conceivable that the NSA made the German chancellor a surveillance target without the president's knowledge?

However, after trying to avoid the question, over the weekend, the NSA admitted that Keith Alexander had never briefed the President about spying on Merkel (though, it's possible he heard about it from others).

This makes it sound, again, like the NSA has gone rogue. How can President Obama seriously allow Keith Alexander and James Clapper to remain in charge when they've just made him look like a complete fool, supposedly totally unaware of what his own intelligence apparatus is up to -- especially when it concerns programs that, once revealed, can have a serious negative impact on a variety of diplomatic fronts?

And for what benefit? The Spiegel report makes it clear that the NSA saw little value in spying on Merkel. They just did it because... reasons.
Former NSA employee Thomas Drake does not see this as a contradiction. "After the attacks of September 11, 2001, Germany became intelligence target number one in Europe," he says. The US government did not trust Germany, because some of the Sept. 11 suicide pilots had lived in Hamburg. Evidence suggests that the NSA recorded Merkel once and then became intoxicated with success, says Drake. "It has always been the NSA's motto to conduct as much surveillance as possible," he adds.
The fact that President Obama hasn't yet fired Alexander in particular is fairly incredible, given this latest revelation.Source
RABEL222
 
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Mon 28 Oct, 2013 09:24 am
@Moment-in-Time,
MIT have you looked at jtt's profile. I looked and he she hasen't posted any information at all about himself. This is the guy that is constantly calling others cowards. I agree with you about answering such people and there are several posters that I dont address at all. Yes I know I haven't either but in my defense I dont call people cowards because they commit the great sin of not agreeing with everything I post.
JPB
 
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Mon 28 Oct, 2013 09:45 am
And there's more.

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This is quite an incredible story that's unfolding about a new opportunity for a Constitutional challenge to the FISA Amendments Act, which has enabled broad NSA surveillance. If you haven't been following the details (and even if you haven't been following all of this closely), the specifics may be a bit confusing, so we'll try to go piece by piece through the history here to explain the events leading up to a new Constitutional challenge being placed on the law, which the Supreme Court had previously effectively wiped out -- in large part due to false information presented by the Solicitor General, who now appears to be not at all happy the intelligence community led him to lie to the Supreme Court. And it may have all unravelled because of Dianne Feinstein's gloating and bragging about how important the FISA Amendments Act is. Lots more
spendius
 
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Mon 28 Oct, 2013 09:56 am
@RABEL222,
Info given in a profile is not necessarily correct and so one might as well not bother.

Mine,however, is correct.
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Olivier5
 
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Mon 28 Oct, 2013 10:12 am
@spendius,
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Did you see Obarmy keep touching Merkel on the back and putting on his big smile as if to reassure her that she's his friend?

He was probably trying to fix a bug on her coat.
Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 28 Oct, 2013 11:16 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

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I just want to discuss stuff with you that I think is appropriate for discussions with you, Spendius.


Try my latest Acronym.


No thanks. Use it yourself.

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Cruise was short (now 5' 6")...but was never really small...so I doubt he ever really wanted to be a jockey.


I can't imagine a bloke who might do 8 stone 4 pounds, with diet and training, who would not want to be a jockey.


I can tell there are many things you cannot imagine. Apparently you have a defective imagination.

Try not to let this throw you, Spendius, but not all small people want to be jockeys.

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I find her very sexy...and I am not a misogynist.


She presents an image similar to that of a fancy cake all got up for your misogynistic delectation. She aims to please.


You are letting your fear of women cloud your vision and reason. Actually, you almost always allow you fear of women to cloud your vision and reason.


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You ought really to see Knight and Day...and we can discuss it.


I haven't been in a cinema for a very long time. And I don't have a video these days. But what do you want to discuss about it? Isn't it just a business proposition? Why do I "really ought" to see that movie? What might I learn? What did you learn from it?


I don't really want to discuss it, but you seem so intent on having a discussion with me (probably due to your obsession)...and I want to be mildly accommodating. I certainly do not want to discuss important issues with you...as that would be a waste of my time.

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I have offered one or two interesting angles on the Snowden affair and you give evidence of being a bit obsessed with avoiding them.


No you haven't...and no I am not.
BillRM
 
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Mon 28 Oct, 2013 12:12 pm
@Olivier5,
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He was probably trying to fix a bug on her coat.


LOL............

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