neologist
 
  1  
Reply Tue 25 Jun, 2013 08:32 pm
@farmerman,
Exactly
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reasoning logic
 
  -4  
Reply Tue 25 Jun, 2013 08:33 pm
@neologist,
Quote:
I wish the same for you, kind sir.


I get the thumbs down so why would you wish the same for me?
neologist
 
  1  
Reply Tue 25 Jun, 2013 08:36 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
Watch the short video then talk out of you ass if you wish.
At this point, I am even more firmly resolved to avoid your jejune attempts at reasoning or logic.

Stand on your own two feet, man
neologist
 
  1  
Reply Tue 25 Jun, 2013 08:39 pm
@reasoning logic,
Have a paroxysm. It'll do wonders for your complexion.
reasoning logic
 
  -4  
Reply Tue 25 Jun, 2013 08:39 pm
@neologist,
Quote:
At this point, I am even more firmly resolved to avoid your jejune attempts at reasoning or logic.

Stand on your own two feet, man


I am pretty sure what you mean is that I should stand on my own belief. Am I incorrect?
reasoning logic
 
  -3  
Reply Tue 25 Jun, 2013 08:41 pm
@neologist,
Quote:
Have a paroxysm. It'll do wonders for your complexion.


Have interest in reality? it'll do wonders for your understandings.
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neologist
 
  1  
Reply Tue 25 Jun, 2013 08:49 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
I am pretty sure what you mean is that I should stand on my own belief. Am I incorrect?
Sure. Tell us what you believe.
Brandon9000
 
  1  
Reply Tue 25 Jun, 2013 08:58 pm
Actually, I have just come back from such a break, and it had the same motivation. Sometimes I don't post political opinions here, not because I don't think I could win the argument, but because I don't have the time to answer the flood of liberal opinions I'd have to disprove.
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glitterbag
 
  3  
Reply Tue 25 Jun, 2013 09:01 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

Oh yeah, there was a draft exemption for college students in the Vietnam era. Four years college, more in post grad work, and the war was over. We have a word for people that followed that route. BOSS.


I lived thru that particular time frame. Mr. glitterbag was drafted out of Grad school into the Army in 1969. Drafted after the TET offensive, but since he was US98G he was sent to the last of the Aleutians chain. When he finished his obligation to the Army, he returned to grad school, got his Masters Degree and was hired by DoD. Between the two of us, we have a combined 78 years of service to this country. We are social liberals but ardently believe in a strong national defense. We differ in our views on judicial issues and are from completely different regions of the country, raised in different religions. It's funny to me that ultra conservatives always think I'm ultra liberal and assume he is the one that they can bond with, while he thinks I'm too conservative.

Bottom line is the draft didn't end in 1970, and the US embassy in saigon was abandoned on 29 April 1975. So you would have had to be enrolled in college from 1950 thru 1975 to have avoided the draft, whoops, married men and college students were drafted after 1966, all exemptions gradually faded away.
reasoning logic
 
  -3  
Reply Tue 25 Jun, 2013 09:04 pm
@neologist,
Quote:
Sure. Tell us what you believe.


To be honest? I do not believe that you truly care about the well being of others.

I personally think that you think that there are others who are worth more than your own mother's labor per hour.
I think that you think that if people are more coherent or quicker witted and able to pass social tests that they are more deserving than your own mother?

Let me break it down into reality. Your own mother may have to work her whole life in a dead end job and you may be more advanced than her because of your brain function but you see your own mother the way you would see mine and that is as competition.
You think that others should treat your mother as you would treat mine on a comparison of intellect?
neologist
 
  1  
Reply Tue 25 Jun, 2013 09:15 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
I wrote:
Sure. Tell us what you believe.
To be honest? I do not believe that you truly care about the well being of others.

I personally think that you think that there are others who are worth more than your own mother's labor per hour.
I think that you think that if people are more coherent or quicker witted and able to pass social tests that they are more deserving than your own mother?

Let me break it down into reality. Your own mother may have to work her whole life in a dead end job and you may be more advanced than her because of your brain function but you see your own mother the way you would see mine and that is as competition.
You think that others should treat your mother as you would treat mine on a comparison of intellect?
I hope your mother enjoys many many years of a happy and healthy life. My mother died 12 years ago. She was as sharp as a tack.

Beyond that, I have no idea what the heck you are talking about.
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JTT
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 25 Jun, 2013 10:22 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
We are social liberals but ardently believe in a strong national defense.


The US has never engaged in national defense, GB. It's always been national aggression against weak tiny countries so that the US can exploit the wealth of those countries.

"Over 200 times we [the USA] have put our forces into other countries to force them to our will. We've been in the business of being a country for about 200 years. We've spent fifty years at war, ... "

- John Stockwell

That isn't national defense. Why don't you try studying a little history?

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JTT
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 25 Jun, 2013 10:31 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
Between the two of us, we have a combined 78 years of service to this country.


Edward Snowden, and some others just might disagree with you on that.

Quote:
but ardently believe in a strong national defense.



Quote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/25/edward-snowden-ecuador-defy-united-states

Latin America is ready to defy the US over Snowden and other issues

Latin America has long lived in the US shadow, but the fact that some countries might take Snowden shows how that's changed


Stephen Kinzer
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 25 June 2013 17.16 BST


No offense to Iceland, but Latin America is where the fugitive leaker Edward Snowden should settle.

He apparently has the same idea. News reports suggest that he is in Moscow awaiting transport to Cuba, Venezuela, and/or Ecuador. A Facebook post suggests Bolivia may have granted Snowden asylum. Nothing has been heard from Nicaragua, Peru, Brazil, or Argentina, but any or all might also welcome him.

Any country that grants asylum to Snowden risks retaliation from the United States, including diplomatic isolation and costly trade sanctions. Several don't seem to care. The fact that Latin America has become the favored refuge for a United States citizen accused of treason and espionage is an eye-popping reminder of how fully the continent has emerged from Washington's shadow.

"Latin America is not gone, and we want to keep it," President Richard Nixon told aides as he was pressing the covert operation that brought down the Chilean government in 1973. A decade later, the Reagan administration was fighting proxy wars in Nicaragua, El Salvador and Guatemala. In the 1980s the US Army invaded two Caribbean countries, Grenada and Panama, to depose leaders who had defied Washington.

During the 1990s the United States sought to impose the "Washington Consensus" on Latin American governments. It embodied what Latin Americans call "neo-liberal" principles: budget cuts, privatization, deregulation of business, and incentives for foreign companies. This campaign sparked bitter resistance and ultimately collapsed.

In spite of these military, political, and economic assaults – or perhaps because of them – much of Latin America has become profoundly dissatisfied with the made-in-USA model. Some of the continent's most popular leaders rose to power by denouncing the "Washington Consensus" and pledging to pull their countries out of the United States orbit.

Because President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela was the most flamboyant of these defiant leaders, some outsiders may have expected that following his death, the region would return to its traditional state of submission. In fact, not just a handful of leaders but huge populations in Latin America have decided that they wish for more independence from Washington.

This is vital for Snowden because it reduces the chances that a sudden change of government could mean his extradition. If he can make it to Latin America, he will never lack for friends or supporters.

One would be the American-educated President Rafael Correa of Ecuador, an avowed socialist and admirer of Fidel Castro. In 2009 Correa forced the United States to abandon its military base in his country, despite repeated protests from Washington. He has already granted a form of asylum to Wiki-leaks founder Julian Assange, who is living inside the Ecuadoran embassy in London. Having publicly welcomed Assange to "the club of the persecuted," he would presumably embrace Snowden as another member.

Ecuador, with its long coastline, majestic mountains, and lush rain forest, is an ideal place for such a club to assemble. It is more than twice the size of Iceland and considerably warmer. Its people, not just its president, are known for gentle hospitality.

From Ecuador, Snowden could travel widely. Everything from the splendor of Bolivia's Lake Titicaca to the vibrancy of teeming Caracas awaits him. With luck, he might even be able to visit Guatemala in September to attend the grand festival being planned for the 100th anniversary of the birth of Jacobo Arbenz, the reformist president who the United States deposed in 1954.

Snowden would have much to celebrate upon landing in Latin America, and much to anticipate. He might not be truly free, however. Some in Washington have raised his case, like those of Assange and Corporal Bradley Manning, into major national security tests. They might press for a "rendition" in which Snowden would be snatched and brought home for trial.

Two breathtakingly different possible lives await Snowden. If the United States has its way, he will probably end up with something like the long prison sentence that is being prepared for Corporal Manning. If not, he could spend years in an Ecuadoran beach town like Playas, where the lobster is cheap, the sunsets are spectacular, and internet connections could keep him on the front line of the information war for years.



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reasoning logic
 
  -2  
Reply Wed 26 Jun, 2013 05:43 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
you "point of view" should be presented by you .


What makes you so certain that what I share is not my point of view?

Quote:
This is a place for spirited debate, not "show and tell movies:.


Who says? Are you trying to dictate how reality should be?
farmerman
 
  10  
Reply Wed 26 Jun, 2013 07:02 pm
@reasoning logic,
Quote:

What makes you so certain that what I share is not my point of view?
Then you are just an asshole whose unble to communicate. Is that what you are? Otherwise , if you believe the same as your half hour videos, why not make a précis of it and present it in a non boring fashion.
If you think Im going to spend time looking at your vieos, your nuts. Therefore you have NO point to make, see?
You've been told this by many others before yet you are so dakn thick headed that you seem to be oblivious to what originally were gentle reminders. I once watched one of your videos and it was some real piece of crap and was about 20 minutes long.
You feel that you've accomplished something with it and you did not.
SO, Ill just disappear as one whose really not interested in corresponding with nothing.

PS--you actually do more debating trying to justify your use of these videos than with the subject about which the videos pertain.
Is that stupid or what?

See ya. maybe someone else has an interest in your AV "aids", I sure don't.
neologist
 
  2  
Reply Wed 26 Jun, 2013 07:59 pm
@farmerman,
Three thumbs up!
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kwake
 
  1  
Reply Fri 28 Jun, 2013 09:09 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
so have i
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RABEL222
 
  1  
Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 01:08 am
@farmerman,
I dont mind the vidios as long as they are only 5 min long. Any longer than that and I lose interest. Dont have time for 60 min ones.
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reasoning logic
 
  -3  
Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 08:46 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
Then you are just an asshole whose unble to communicate. Is that what you are?


Why would you try to communicate with someone if you think they may be unable to communicate? Don't you find your question already answered by the conversation we are having here?

Quote:
If you think Im going to spend time looking at your vieos, your nuts. Therefore you have NO point to make, see?


My videos are not for you alone "they are for whoever may be interested.

Quote:
You've been told this by many others before yet you are so dakn thick headed that you seem to be oblivious to what originally were gentle reminders.


That is correct but I have also been told by others that they liked some of my videos.

Quote:
I once watched one of your videos and it was some real piece of crap and was about 20 minutes long.


It does not take me 20 minutes to stop watching or reading something I find boring.

Quote:
Ill just disappear as one whose really not interested in corresponding with nothing.


I have never tried to correspond with nothing since I became an atheist.

Quote:
-you actually do more debating trying to justify your use of these videos than with the subject about which the videos pertain.
Is that stupid or what?


I am more interested in listening to the unimportant **** that others have to say, it gives me a smile on my face.

You like the word stupid where as I like to use the word different, I find you to be very different too at times.

You seem to have a dislike for people who attack beliefs and I find that very different. Sure there will be people who will never understand how their beliefs are harmful but some of their relatives are less extreme in what they believe and we may be able to get though to them and in time evolution will take place in the decedents of the extremist believers.

My memory is poor but was it you who said that you could not serve public office because you are an atheist? if so why cant you see a need to stomp out beliefs?

Let's all be Stupid Together

neologist
 
  2  
Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2013 10:50 am
@reasoning logic,
Are you unable to express the message in your own words? Preferably in just a few sentences? I turn off as soon as I recognize logical fallacies. Most videos begin with hypotheses contrary to fact.

For the same reason, my eyes glaze over when I come across a post covering full screen. Most contain more than a few mental traps. One need only read a few pages of any religion/politics thread to learn them all.

Just tell us what you want to say. How hard is that?
 

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