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muckraker: a word neutral or slightly negative?

 
 
Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 12:22 am



WorldNet:

Muckraker
one who spreads real or alleged scandal about another (usually for political advantage)
(It seems slightly negative here)
Collins:

Muckraker:
someone who seeks out and expose scandal, esp concerning public figures.
(It sounds neutral)

M-Webster:
Definition of MUCKRAKE
: to search out and publicly expose real or apparent misconduct of a prominent individual or business
— muck·rak·er noun

(It appears neutral)
 
PUNKEY
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 06:00 am
So it would depend on the context, right?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 06:09 am
@oristarA,
In general, I consider the word "muckraker" to be positive. The historical muckrakers exposed real injustice and advanced progressive change in areas like child labor.
McTag
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 06:46 am
@oristarA,

Very negative.

It suggests someone who is looking to find fault, which is not the same as a "whistleblower".
oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 08:14 am
@PUNKEY,
PUNKEY wrote:

So it would depend on the context, right?


Below, positive or negative?

 Patients protest Chinese doctor's risky surgery

  By GILLIAN WONG, Associated Press Writer – Tue Oct 19, 5:53 am ET

  BEIJING – At one moment, the Chinese urologist seemed to be at the height of his career: He had invented a surgical procedure to help patients overcome incontinence and was training doctors in America and elsewhere. The next, Dr. Xiao Chuanguo was in handcuffs, confessing that he'd hired thugs to attack two persistent critics who called him a fraud.

  The scandal has shocked the public and prompted calls for better regulation of Chinese medical research. And while research fraud and misconduct is widespread in China, Xiao is no run-of-the-mill charlatan. More than 30 urologists from the United States, Canada, France, India and other countries issued a letter in support of the U.S.-trained surgeon after his arrest late last month.

  In China, several former patients have complained about severe side effects, including a worsening of their mobility. The respected Southern Weekly newspaper said in an analysis that poor regulation led to Xiao "treating patients as if they were voluntary lab mice."

  Last week, a Beijing court sentenced the 54-year-old doctor to five and a half months in detention for his role in the attacks. Xiao, in police custody, could not be reached for comment.

  Some American doctors consider his technique experimental but promising, and two U.S. hospitals are carrying out trials on a small number of volunteers, mostly children. Others, though, are skeptical, particularly of his claims of an 85 percent success rate. The surgery is meant to help people who cannot control their bladders because of a paralyzing accident or a birth defect known as spina bifida.

  "Most of the pediatric urologists in the United States were very cynical about his reports," said Dr. Eric Kurzrock, chief of pediatric urology at the UC Davis Children's Hospital in Sacramento, California. "Nobody ever believed there was an 85 percent success rate, you know, and when you looked at his reports they were very short on details."

  In China, Xiao forged ahead with the surgery on hundreds of patients, according to media reports. Now, some are saying he exaggerated the chance of success and that the surgery left them worse off.

  Whether or not he is guilty of fraud or an ethical lapse, his case highlights the unregulated nature of research in China, with few protections for patients.

  "It's no secret that the Chinese medical space is the Wild West," said Cong Cao, a researcher at the State University of New York who has written two books on China's science and innovation.

  One man, Fang Shimin, has emerged as an unofficial sheriff, unearthing examples of scientific fraud and posting them on his website.

  He took on Xiao, and the two ended up in a long-running feud. Separately, investigative journalist Fang Xuanchang, no relation to the other Fang, also started writing critical pieces about Xiao.

  The stakes are high for Xiao, who once told reporters his procedure should win him a Nobel Prize and has said that becoming a target of the two Fangs cost him a seat in the prestigious Chinese Academy of Sciences.

  In June, two men attacked the journalist Fang with metal pipes, leaving a deep gash on his head. Two months later, the other Fang was attacked with a chemical spray and a hammer, escaping with minor injuries.

  Police arrested Xiao after he returned from training doctors in Argentina. In a videotaped interrogation, the doctor said he paid a distant relative 100,000 yuan ($15,000) to hire two men "just to give them black eyes and swollen faces ... but not to do any permanent damage.

  "Nothing else would solve the problem except beating him up," he said, referring to Fang Shimin, the muckraker.

  Half a dozen patients and family members protested outside his trial, saying they represented 200 patients who were duped by Xiao into thinking the 30,000 yuan ($4,500) procedure had an 85 percent success rate.

  "We need an explanation. We need justice," said Qu Binbin, a 29-year-old man in a wheelchair who said he was able to get around without crutches before having the surgery three years ago.

  Supporters of the doctor also showed up. Guo Yuling, a 19-year-old college student, said he constantly wet his pants for the first 13 years of his life before Xiao's surgery.

  Two former patients are suing Xiao for false advertisement, and more lawsuits are planned, said Peng Jian, a human rights lawyer who said he has documented 150 cases in which the surgery had no benefit or left patients worse off.

  So far, the scandal has not derailed plans to continue studies in the U.S.

  Researchers at William Beaumont Hospital in Royal Oak, Michigan, reported mixed results — and some side effects — from a pilot study of nine spina bifida patients. By early next year, they plan to begin a 5-year clinical trial funded by $2.3 million from the National Institutes of Health.

  Dr. Kenneth Peters, the hospital's head of urology, said he ensures that patients are fully aware the surgery is experimental and carries serious risks.

  "Dr. Xiao has been nothing but in our experience an incredible gentleman, scientist and a very good colleague," said Peters, one of those who signed the letter in Xiao's support.

  A separate 3-year study on eight children is under way at All Children's Hospital in St. Petersburg, Florida.

  Associated Press researcher Xi Yue contributed to this report.
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oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 08:17 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:


Very negative.

It suggests someone who is looking to find fault, which is not the same as a "whistleblower".


Is whistleblower positive?
And please take a look the context I've offered above. Very negative (the comment on the Fang Shimin) there as well?
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oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 08:18 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

In general, I consider the word "muckraker" to be positive. The historical muckrakers exposed real injustice and advanced progressive change in areas like child labor.



The example of yours is positive, I agree.
But now see the context I've just posted.
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oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 10:12 am
@oristarA,
Rise up.

Positive or negative here?

  "Nothing else would solve the problem except beating him up," he said, referring to Fang Shimin, the muckraker.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 10:17 am
@oristarA,
Very negative, with malicious intent
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 10:17 am
@oristarA,
Very negative, with malicious intent
glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 10:19 am
@glitterbag,
God help me, I just killed the hamster, honest judge I didn't mean to, it was an accident.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 10:26 am
Muckraking in general is a neutral term denoting watchdog and investigative journalism. It took on a pejorative sense when it was tied in with yellow journalism, what with its sensationalism and scandal-mongering back in the early 20th century in the US.

Fang’s muckraking was negative for Xiao, who lost an academy appointment partly because of the former’s investigative journalism, and had him beaten thereof, but the term isn’t being used negatively in the article.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 11:35 am
@InfraBlue,
Just curious, when did muck ever connote a good thing, ever hear of muck and mire? Webster's defines muckrake as an instrument for raking dung. I can't think of a single incident when muckraker was used as anything other than negative.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 01:13 pm
@glitterbag,
What about Upton Sinclair's The Jungle? It not only spurred change in the meat packing industry, it remains an American classic. Upton Sinclair was certainly a muckraker who is widely regarded in a positive light.

Muck is something that needs to be raked and the people who do it should be lauded.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 02:41 pm
@maxdancona,
You are thinking of expose. Pronounced ex pose zay.
McTag
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 02:52 pm
@glitterbag,
Or whistle blowing. Whistleblowers do that, usually thought of in a positive light.

Muckraking is the opposite, looking for trouble, making trouble, obsessive fault-finding, unnecessary and unjustified criticism, etc. I've only seen it used in a pejorative way.
oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 04:04 pm
@McTag,
InfraBlue wrote:

Muckraking in general is a neutral term denoting watchdog and investigative journalism. It took on a pejorative sense when it was tied in with yellow journalism, what with its sensationalism and scandal-mongering back in the early 20th century in the US.

Fang’s muckraking was negative for Xiao, who lost an academy appointment partly because of the former’s investigative journalism, and had him beaten thereof, but the term isn’t being used negatively in the article.


McTag wrote:

Or whistle blowing. Whistleblowers do that, usually thought of in a positive light.

Muckraking is the opposite, looking for trouble, making trouble, obsessive fault-finding, unnecessary and unjustified criticism, etc. I've only seen it used in a pejorative way.


Both gentlemen's views cannot be compatible here. Rolling Eyes
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 04:16 pm
@oristarA,
McTag and glitterbug are simply wrong. There are all sorts of sources readily available that show "muckraker" being used in a positive light.

Quote:
Muckrakers were investigative journalists or writers who exposed the corruption or evils of society in the Progressive era. Some muckrakers were progressives who sought reform and change; for example, Jacob Riis wrote on the deplorable conditions in housing with the intent to change conditions for immigrants. Similarly, Upton Sinclair exposed the meatpacking process which prompted change in the form of the Pure Food and Drug Act. Other muckrakers were just interested in selling a sensationalist story to the American public.
The most popular aspects of society subject to the muckraker's scrutiny were crime, graft, housing, scandals, labor, monopolies, population density, treatment of immigrants, treatment of women, and quality of food. Notable muckrakers include Jacob Riis, Upton Sinclair, Ida Tarbell, and Helen Hunt Jackson.


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_were_the_Muckrakers

Quote:
Muckraking involved investigative journalism where reporters would immerse themselves in the industry or activity they were trying to expose.

Muckraking articles appeared in magazines including McClure Magazine, Cosmopolitan and Munsey's.

Muckraking literature sprung up with Upton Sinclair's The Jungle, which exposed the meatpacking industry. This lead to the Pure Food and Drug Act in 1906.

Muckraking often resulted in progressive legislation. Woodrow Wilson's administration saw many sweeping legislation passed due to muckraking efforts.

Ida Tarbell
A leading muckraker best known for her 1904 book exposing the corrupt practices of John D. Rockefeller's Standard Oil.

McClure's Magazine
A monthly magazine credited with starting muckraking journalism. The magazine published influential exposes of US businesses by Ida Tarbell, Ray Stannard Baker and other leading muckrakers.

Upton Sinclair
Highly influential muckraking journalist whose novel The Jungle incited a public outcry over the unsanitary and corrupt practices of the meatpacking industry, yielding significant legislation.


https://www.boundless.com/u-s-history/progressive-era-1890-1917/labor-local-and-political-reform/muckrakers/

Quote:
Muckraking is a form of public service journalism that seeks to protect the public and expose injustices in society. It is defined as “the reporting through one’s own work product and initiative [of] matters of importance which some person or group want to keep secret” (Feldstein 2). Muckraking journalism is very similar to investigative journalism in that it aims to uncover and unveil scandalous information and the truth to society.


http://www.bekkahwalker.net/comt111a/websites_12/zau_site/index.html

There are hundreds of sites that have a positive view of the muckrakers (who, by the way referred to themselves as "muckrakers").
glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 05:11 pm
@maxdancona,
Max, muckraker is to journalism as slattern is to women who run the neighborhood welcome wagon. Not flattering, exposing hidden truths is different than spreading rumors.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 05:20 pm
@glitterbag,
The word is negative to you, Glitterbag. We get that.

The point is that many native English speakers use the word in a positive sense. You aren't an authority on how English speakers use a word. We use it how we use it.

Several of us have pointed out that we use it with a positive connotation. I have also provided several sources where it is used with a positive connotation.

It is clear that sometimes (of not often) native English speakers use the word "muckraker"with a positive connotation. Whether you think this is correct or not wasn't the question.

It very clearly has a positive connotation to many of us (depending, of course, on context),
 

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