Is it egotistical to think that a God would die for you?

You do discriminate, you've said asmuch about LGBT people, you looked down your nose at HIV sufferers.

Darwinism is a fact, it's established scientific opinion.

Nobody is trying to force it on anyone, and nobody cares what abunch of pig ignorant religious half wits thinks.

Yet that doesn't stop you trying to inflict your moronic viewpoint on the rest of us and you do.

You demanded Frank read Deuteronomy.

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You do discriminate, you've said asmuch about LGBT people, you looked down your nose at HIV sufferers.

Darwinism is a fact, it's established scientific opinion.

Nobody is trying to force it on anyone, and nobody cares what abunch of pig ignorant religious half wits thinks.

Yet that doesn't stop you trying to inflict your moronic viewpoint on the rest of us and you do.

You demanded Frank read Deuteronomy.

I asked Frank to "please read" the chapter. Do you consider this to be "demanding?
Marriage between a man and a woman is the only appropriate form of marriage. In that sense a do discriminate between what is morally right and wrong[/b]
However, I do not discriminate in the way you probably mean. In the 1980's I helped people with AIDS in hospitals. They were terrified Andi helped to encourage them.
This is not " hateful behavior". I risked my life for these people. However, God protected me from harm.
You show hatred to people of limited intelligence in your words. Why do you do that?

I asked Frank to "please read" the chapter. Do you consider this to be "demanding?
Marriage between a man and a woman is the only appropriate form of marriage. In that sense I do discriminate between what is morally right and wrong.
However, I do not discriminate in the way you probably mean. In the 1980's I helped people with AIDS in hospitals. They were terrified. And I helped to encourage them.
This is not " hateful behavior". I risked my life for these people. However, God protected me from harm.
You show hatred to people of limited intelligence in your words. Why do you do that?

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I asked Frank to "please read" the chapter. Do you consider this to be "demanding?
Marriage between a man and a woman is the only appropriate form of marriage. In that sense I do discriminate between what is morally right and wrong.
However, I do not discriminate in the way you probably mean. In the 1980's I helped people with AIDS in hospitals. They were terrified. And I helped to encourage them.
This is not " hateful behavior". I risked my life for these people. However, God protected me from harm.
You show hatred to people of limited intelligence in your words. Why do you do that?

"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves." It's always nice when people pretend there is nothing wrong with their actions when they hurt themselves and others. 1 Corinthians uses homosexuality in the same breath as drunkenness . So let's use them together. The drunk resents people telling them what they do is wrong. "It's just a harmless drink..." Sure, until that night you spend in a hospital, puking your guts out. Sure, until you run over a child while drunk or smash up someone else's car.

Now, we don't have quite the same mentality about scolding a drunk person as a homosexual, because the once and awhile drink is not the life-changing event as one night of gay sex that may still give you AIDS. And because gays have declared that what they do is a sin. Even a drunk understands that isn't true.

It took me a bit to understand what Neal meant by risking his life, so let me spell it out to you.

There is a difference between the "Christians" who go around burning abortion clinics and attacking people with AIDS, and those that simply disapprove of their lifestyle that got them in this mess in the first place. It sounds like Neal not only helped them at the clinics, but defended them against bigoted people, putting himself at risk. What risks did you take? From a position of safety, you are scolding him while more than likely never having helped out at such clinics.

Okay, so we agree.

The only reason you, and Neal, think this stuff is "wrong" or "sinful"...is because you have made a blind guess that a god exists...and have made a blind guess that the god you blindly guess exists...is offended by those things.

Okay. Great that we can agree on that.

Enough with the blind guesses already.

It is not clear whether God does not exist. That is a blind guess.

But there is what a police would call "reasonable cause" for the notion that God exists.

We have reasonabld cause. We know that the odds are astronomical against the universe existing in the first place (literally, since that is the basis of astronomy), then further insane for a world hospitable enough for ANY life, and it should only be unevolved pond scum or something that WISHES it were as sophisticated as pond scum. Instead, we have live aplenty, million of species. We have life capable of hope, pain, remorse, guilt, and yes even the idea of believing in a Creator and worshiping him. You have no idea how sophisticated a level of evolution that is. Our cousins, the monkeys have only the vaguest idea of worship. From my experience with cats, they might attend worship but they don't really seem to get it. Only elephants seem to do funeral rites, besides us.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_behavior_in_animals
In short, there is an incredible level of evolution needed to participate in religion, and those who don't are like animals. They don't get a number of symbolic images found in the natural and human world, but instead think that knowing that the chance is basically zero (the same amount as the chance of a book suddenly appearing in a forest) is a blind guess. No, it is not. A thinking human can build, create, manufacture, and knows that things don't just appear. An unreasoning animal is confused about everyday things. A cat sees milk and doesn't necessarily connect it with a person who they saw earlier, who sat it down while they were gone. To a thinking human, that is the only thing it could be. This is not a blind guess.

And no, it isn't because of our theism that we believe this way.

It is from knowing what this lifestyle does to people. How it hurts them. I myself am in the trans spectrum. I can tell you stories of what life is like as such. Neal can probably tell in depth about the sort of suffering the chronically ill with AIDS go through. It has nothing to do with our beliefs, and everything to do with our experiences. As a trans person, I found myself strapped for cash. I tried prostitution. I got some very sketchy calls, and one that seemed nice. That day, I went to church, and they were liberal so they talking about national AIDS awareness day (I considered this a warning from God, but I went ahead with the appointment). Went to hotel. The guy was a bit of a goof ( "at last, we can be together") but whatever. Went into the room. Something about his pad looked enough like the sort of room I'd have in another life. I excused myself to go to the bathroom. I cried. I didn't wanna go through with this. He walked me to the door then unceremoniously shoved me outside.

It isn't that we believe in God that we feel this way. We have experiences so we don't buy this rhetoric of simple love vs hate. We understand our past, we know how it relates to our present and furture. This is another diff between humans and animals, they understand their history. They don't get swept up by fads or the expectation of others.