Is it egotistical to think that a God would die for you?

@NealNealNeal,

NealNealNeal wrote:

Frank,
Please read the entire chapter of Deuter chapter 6.
Religious Jews and Christians agree with the chapter.
The disagreement is about Jesus. Therefore, I would say that this is the most important teaching of Jesus, along with His death and resurrection.

Neal, you said that in your opinion, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind" is the most important teaching of Jesus.

I accept that...I said I accept it.

Now you are directing me to Deuteronomy?

That was not even in your post.

As for "His death and resurrection"...that was NOT part of what Jesus taught.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

NealNealNeal wrote:

Frank,
Please read the entire chapter of Deuter chapter 6.
Religious Jews and Christians agree with the chapter.
The disagreement is about Jesus. Therefore, I would say that this is the most important teaching of Jesus, along with His death and resurrection.

Neal, you said that in your opinion, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind" is the most important teaching of Jesus.

I accept that...I said I accept it.

Now you are directing me to Deuteronomy?

That was not even in your post.

As for "His death and resurrection"...that was NOT part of what Jesus taught.

Frank,
Deuter chapter 6 has 6:4-5 in it. Chapter 6 explains love of God in action. The entire Schema is basically chapter 6.

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@NealNealNeal,

Matthew 16:21-28 is one place where Jesus predicts His death. There are also other verses in the Gospels where Jesus talks about it.

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@izzythepush,

Correction.

Jesus IS in the Old Testament.

He is on every page of the Bible, actually.

In Genesis, under the story of Noah, we see the promise of God to forgive humanity even from the brink of destruction.
We see Isaac and the sacrifice of a son averted, a sacrifice that is later given by God himself.
We see God in the form of a man, both in the story of Lot and with Jacob wrestling in his name of Israel, foreshadowing the future incarnation of Jesus.
The Law itself (as the letters later explain) is set up to fail, so that believers will understand that salvation comes from the personal relationship with God that is knowing Jesus, and that neither sacrifices nor written laws can save a person.
The histories clearly lead to the promise of a Savior, with the Jewish people constantly being persecuted, and the numerous instances of the Jews trying and failing to live up to God's plans.
As do the prophecies of the Messiah.

So you see, there is never any point where Jesus is not mentioned.

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@bulmabriefs144,

You really are stupid, it's like you're on some sort of mission tobethethi kest person on A2K.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

You really are stupid, it's like you're on some sort of mission tobethethi kest person on A2K.

Neal and Bulma may be decent people, but talking with either is like talking with a brick wall. The mythology runs deep in both...and they are wedded to their blind guesses about the REALITY.

I do not see any real peace in religion. The fear of their god is too big a problem for real peace...the need to pretend love too great.

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@Frank Apisa,

Bulma does not strike me as being a nice person at all.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Bulma does not strike me as being a nice person at all.

He (or she) tests me in that regard also, Iz.

Just trying to be a bit diplomatic in that earlier post.

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@Frank Apisa,

I don't bother when they're so extreme.

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@izzythepush,

We are "extreme" because we believe God is sovereign. We are "extreme" because each individual is responsible to God. Jesus was "extreme".

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@NealNealNeal,

NealNealNeal wrote:

We are "extreme" because we believe God is sovereign.

You are "extreme" because you blindly guess there is a GOD...and that IT is sovereign. Because you blindly guess that the GOD is that god described in the Bible...which essentially is a book written thousands of years ago by relatively unintelligent, relatively uninformed, relatively unsophisticated, very superstitious people who had a need for a protector god.

You are "extreme" because you insist that your blind guesses are correct.

They MIGHT BE CORRECT...which in another way of saying THEY MIGHT BE WRONG.

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We are "extreme" because each individual is responsible to God.

You are "extreme" because you blindly guess that there is a god to whom each individual owes some kind of responsibility.

YOU MAY BE CORRECT. (See above for the alternative.)

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Jesus was "extreme".

I do not know about that. But today's religious people often ARE extreme.

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@Frank Apisa,

In Matthew 12:30 Jesus does not allow you to be indecisive. What is your response?

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@NealNealNeal,

NealNealNeal wrote:

In Matthew 12:30 Jesus does not allow you to be indecisive. What is your response?

If you are blindly guessing that there is a god...and if you are blindly guessing that Jesus is that god...and if you are blindly guessing that the Bible tells you what that god demands of you...

...what you have to do is to be "decisive."

Gotta wonder, however, why you would want to be decisive over something that is essentially a coin toss.

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@Frank Apisa,

Because in my experience (and that of millions of other people) it is not "a coin toss". I am testifying that Christianity is correct. God has revealed Himself.

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@NealNealNeal,

NealNealNeal wrote:

Because in my experience (and that of millions of other people) it is not "a coin toss". I am testifying that Christianity is correct. God has revealed Himself.

Yeah, that's what I said...you are blindly guessing that there is a god...and then insisting that your blind guess is correct.

I get that.

As for your assertion that "God has revealed Himself"...

...lemme tell ya: A GOD that made the earth, the sun, the other planets in our Solar System, the other suns in our galaxy (between 200 and 300 billion other stars) and the other galaxies (hundreds of billions of them)...and spread them out over space so vast that it takes light billions of years to traverse it...

...and cannot do a better job of "revealing" itself...is no god.

Your god has not revealed itself to you. You have just made a blind guess that there is a GOD (probably because of your up-bringing)...and now you are insisting that your blind guess is correct...

...BECAUSE your blind guess includes an admonishment to be decisive.

Neal...NOTHING WHATEVER WRONG WITH GUESSING THAT THERE IS A GOD...AND THAT THE BIBLE TELLS YOU WHAT THE GOD IS LIKE...WHAT PLEASES YOUR GOD...WHAT OFFENDS YOUR GOD.

I used to do it...I used to make that guess.

Now I don't.

Nothing wrong with doing it at all.

But all it is...is a guess.

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@NealNealNeal,

You are extreme because you discriminate against certain groups of people.

You are extreme because you feel you have the right to ra your relibio cow other people's throats.

And you are extreme because you believe dogma over scientific orthodoxy.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

You are extreme because you discriminate against certain groups of people.

You are extreme because you feel you have the right to ra your relibio cow other people's throats.

And you are extreme because you believe dogma over scientific orthodoxy.

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#1 I deny that I discriminate against anyone
#2 I deny that I "ram my religion down people's throats". Please remember that several months ago Frank said that he welcomed continued discussion with me about Jesus. If you don't want to talk about Jesus I don't force you to.
#3 Perhaps you are correct. However, 99% of people don't know enough to make a decision about Origins. Since people don't want to be responsible to a Holy God, I doubt that the Theory of Evolution is correct. In other words many scientists come to a conclusion and then try to force the evidence to support this conclusion.

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@Greatest I am,

How does the Alpha and Omega, the eternal ever die for anyone?

It's not egotistical. Christ died for our sins and conquered death. We receive the same victory through the grace of G*d.

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@NealNealNeal,

You do discriminate, you've said asmuch about LGBT people, you looked down your nose at HIV sufferers.

Darwinism is a fact, it's established scientific opinion.

Nobody is trying to force it on anyone, and nobody cares what abunch of pig ignorant religious half wits thinks.

Yet that doesn't stop you trying to inflict your moronic viewpoint on the rest of us and you do.

You demanded Frank read Deuteronomy.

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@bobsal u1553115,

Welcome back Bob, hope all is well.

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