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Is it egotistical to think that a God would die for you?

 
 
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 02:46 pm
@HabibUrrehman,
HabibUrrehman wrote:

 
everything he does is praise worthy & everything he does is perfect.


Would you praise Allah if he put what you see in this link into your wife?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_-nHw0_Fos&feature=player_embedded

Regards
DL
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 02:50 pm
@HabibUrrehman,
HabibUrrehman wrote:

Let me ask you a simple question, would you like to be a slave or have freedom?


Allah says --- Submit and be slaved to me.
Yahweh says --- obey and slave yourself to me.

If your highest view of humans is for us all be slaved to the gods, then your evolution to be the fittest of our species has failed and you are a failed human.

Regards
DL
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 02:57 pm
@HabibUrrehman,
HabibUrrehman wrote:

We are arguing on trivial issues. As I said our main focus should be first to discuss does God really exist? What's the proof? If you believe it does not exist, what's your proof?


A never ending topic that cannot have an end game and that you are using to get away from a moral discussion that could have an end game and consensus.

I see many theists deflecting like that when they are losing a moral debate.

It is typical theistic hypocrisy.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 03:03 pm
@HabibUrrehman,
HabibUrrehman wrote:

All human beings want to have freedom


This is not so as we have all given it up for security.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL2LMTRoWlA

The word freedom is just about meaningless when applied to humans as we are all dependent on each other.

As Socrates said on that term, --- who will make your shoes?

Regards
DL
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HabibUrrehman
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 03:04 pm
@Greatest I am,
Quote:
Allah says --- Submit and be slaved to me.
Yahweh says --- obey and slave yourself to me.


And you choose to be slave of man made system, laws and slave of your desires. Good luck with all that.
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 03:07 pm
@HabibUrrehman,
HabibUrrehman wrote:

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He doesn't wish to punish anybody.


Are you saying that Allah cannot do his will or what he wishes?

Is Allah left crying because he wants something and can't have it?

If so, he is as weak and incompetent as Yahweh.

Boo hoo. I don't want to punish you but I have to. Boo hoo.

Regards
DL
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 03:10 pm
@Greatest I am,
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A never ending topic that cannot have an end game and that you are using to get away from a moral discussion that could have an end game and consensus.


Can you bring any proof for non existence of God? The fact is that atheism is all based on hypothesis and there is no proof to prove any of your point. All I am saying is that bring any argument with a proof and we can have a debate. It is typical atheist behavior to make claims with no proof. Your main argument is that God does not exist. So let me see what proof you have got. If there is none then admit it and I will provide my proofs to prove the opposite to what you believe.
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 03:12 pm
@HabibUrrehman,
HabibUrrehman wrote:

God for all Abrahamic religions is same.


That is a lie.

Gnostic Christians and Karaite Jews who hold the oral traditions for Judaism as a whole, the same that guides orthodox thinking, both put man above god, as it should be, given that all the gods are man made.

Literalists and other fools do not remember their roots.

I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental trash that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

Further.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html

Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D

Regards
DL



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HabibUrrehman
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 03:12 pm
@Greatest I am,
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Boo hoo. I don't want to punish you but I have to. Boo hoo.


You are only hurting yourself by making fun of one who provides you 24/7. It does not matter to me what you do or what you believe in, we will all see what happens after death but alas it will be too late for ignorant like you.
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 03:16 pm
@HabibUrrehman,
HabibUrrehman wrote:

Quote:
Allah says --- Submit and be slaved to me.
Yahweh says --- obey and slave yourself to me.


And you choose to be slave of man made system, laws and slave of your desires. Good luck with all that.


Only fools believe that a supernatural god created a system and Gnostic Christians are free thinkers and esoteric ecumenists, not sheeple.

I put a thing on the literal reading of myths below. have a look and start thinking better.

Regards
DL



HabibUrrehman
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 03:20 pm
@Greatest I am,
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Gnostic Christians are free thinkers

You want to have one foot in Gnosticism and other in Christianity.There is actually no such thing as Christian Gnosticism, because true Christianity and Gnosticism are mutually exclusive systems of belief. The principles of Gnosticism contradict what it means to be a Christian. Therefore, while some forms of Gnosticism may claim to be Christian, they are in fact decidedly non-Christian. Don't fool yourself.
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 03:22 pm
@HabibUrrehman,
HabibUrrehman wrote:

Quote:
A never ending topic that cannot have an end game and that you are using to get away from a moral discussion that could have an end game and consensus.


Can you bring any proof for non existence of God? The fact is that atheism is all based on hypothesis and there is no proof to prove any of your point. All I am saying is that bring any argument with a proof and we can have a debate. It is typical atheist behavior to make claims with no proof. Your main argument is that God does not exist. So let me see what proof you have got. If there is none then admit it and I will provide my proofs to prove the opposite to what you believe.


Do you know what a logical fallacy is?
Shove yours and your reverse onus where it belongs.

It is to the one who cries wolf to show the tracks or the ****.
It is not to the rest of the town to prove that the wolf was never there.

Fact is though, that atheists have more proof that there is no god than you do that there is a god.

Your god, you claim, is Omni-present. If you follow the same Christian stupidity.

If he was, we would all know it right?

Let me check again to see if he is everywhere. No. He is not sitting on the end of my dick. What about yours?

Regards
DL
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 03:26 pm
@HabibUrrehman,
HabibUrrehman wrote:

Quote:
Boo hoo. I don't want to punish you but I have to. Boo hoo.


You are only hurting yourself by making fun of one who provides you 24/7. It does not matter to me what you do or what you believe in, we will all see what happens after death but alas it will be too late for ignorant like you.


Thanks for telling us that you do not believe in the Golden Rule.

I do and that is why I seek your ilk out.

If you think you should live by the Golden Rule, change the labels in this quote to women, minorities, gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

Note how you are doing the opposite.

Regards
DL
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 03:28 pm
@HabibUrrehman,
HabibUrrehman wrote:

Quote:
Boo hoo. I don't want to punish you but I have to. Boo hoo.


You are only hurting yourself by making fun of one who provides you 24/7. It does not matter to me what you do or what you believe in, we will all see what happens after death but alas it will be too late for ignorant like you.


Why can Allah do his will with time but can't even do his will of not punishing?

Never mind. You have learned to deflect so as to not have to deal with the hard questions.

Regards
DL
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 03:33 pm
@HabibUrrehman,
HabibUrrehman wrote:

Quote:
Gnostic Christians are free thinkers

You want to have one foot in Gnosticism and other in Christianity.There is actually no such thing as Christian Gnosticism, because true Christianity and Gnosticism are mutually exclusive systems of belief. The principles of Gnosticism contradict what it means to be a Christian. Therefore, while some forms of Gnosticism may claim to be Christian, they are in fact decidedly non-Christian. Don't fool yourself.


You do not know your religious history but I am not interested in discussing it with you. You deflect too much.

Now if you knew something of the Chrestian history, we could go there, but you did not even know of the Karaite Jews who control the god your religion usurped.

Islam is just Judaism 3.0 and you have decided to hate the ones whos god your religion usurped and altered to a more immoral prick than Yahweh.

Regards
DL
HabibUrrehman
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 03:36 pm
@Greatest I am,
I can't win an argument against an ignorant person. Have fun trolling with none but yourself.
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 05:14 pm
@HabibUrrehman,
HabibUrrehman wrote:

I can't win an argument against an ignorant person. Have fun trolling with none but yourself.


With your garbage apologetics and immoral ideology of homophobia and misogyny, I doubt that you can win any arguments.

That is why you deflect to pointless arguments on god while ignoring moral issues.

Run along child. I seek men to chat with. Children and cowards can never be moral.

Regards
DL

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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 06:05 pm
@HabibUrrehman,
An ignorant person is one who fails to understand the difference between fiction and facts, science and mythology, the evolution of man, the age of this planet, and the thousands of gods that have been created.
HabibUrrehman
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jun, 2019 07:39 am
@cicerone imposter,
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An ignorant person is one who fails to understand the difference between fiction and facts, science and mythology, the evolution of man, the age of this planet, and the thousands of gods that have been created.


What you said is precisely right and I am yet to see an argument from you with facts and proven by scientific methodology.
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Reply Wed 19 Jun, 2019 09:04 am
@HabibUrrehman,
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What you said is precisely right and I am yet to see an argument from you with facts and proven by scientific methodology.
There are many. Smithsonian is a good start. When you have any questions about our planet or our environment, seek scientific information on them. There are numerous scientific organizations and colleges that provides those information. Type, "earth," and you'll get these top 3:
Quote:
Earth - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth
Earth is the third planet from the Sun, and the only astronomical object known to harbor life.According to radiometric dating and other sources of evidence, Earth formed over 4.5 billion years ago.
Overview | Earth – NASA Solar System Exploration
solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/earth/overview
While Earth is only the fifth largest planet in the solar system, it is the only world in our solar system with liquid water on the surface. Just slightly larger than nearby Venus, Earth is the biggest of the four planets closest to the Sun, all of which are made of rock and metal. The name Earth is ...
Earth | Development, Information, Composition, & Facts ...
www.britannica.com/place/Earth
Earth: Earth, third planet from the Sun and the fifth largest planet in the solar system in terms of size and mass. Its single most outstanding feature is that its near-surface environments are the only places in the universe known to harbor life.
These information are provided by scientists and educational institutions who study these subjects, and arrive at some conclusion about them from the best available evidence.
 

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