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How is this definition of "belief"?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 02:39 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
All while the universe expands?
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 02:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
lol Ci if all space time co exists in a timeless set, "expansion" is a 2 order phenomena, as all space time is described in such object...Einstein tried to explain this as time is relative to observer speed n position...you must try to envision the far future expanding balloon already is there...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 02:52 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
I can't envision "infinity."
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 02:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I can't envision "infinity."


A lot of people "try" to envision "infinity" by thinking of an unending "out there"...usually thinking straight up and out.

If there truly is an infinity...it cannot have a terminal at the other end. Looking back inside at infinity is infinitely more difficult than looking "out there."
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 02:58 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Not true infinity but if infinity is a loop there is no infinite regress, this was already explained..you keep loosing track...
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 03:01 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
If you guys remember that video I posted long ago about Cantor and the mathematics of infinity now you can clearly understand the context on why infinity was so poorly received...it is a cancer for logic mathematics everything...we need to enclosure it and dominate it...to explain it to master it...Loop is the most logical explanation I envision...to have a system that from the inside it seams as it does not stop but that is going in circles repeating...
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 03:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
I can't envision "infinity."

Don't worry, nobody truly can. Smile

I like Fil, he's a pretty smart fellow and I tend to agree with him most of the time, but he's a bit speculative about space and time and stuff. I prefer to look at my shoes... ;-)
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 04:15 pm
@Olivier5,
Me too! LOL TO LOOK AT MY SHOES
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 05:03 pm
@igm,
Very Happy
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 05:11 pm
@JLNobody,
...you would do a lot of improving in reading instead of seeking comfort J...perhaps then you get to step ahead...either that or you are not sufficiently familiarise on how a finite framing is fundamental here...you don't seam to understand without it you don't just loose objectivity you loose subjectivity also...think on it if you can...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 05:16 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil wrote,
Quote:
you are not sufficiently familiarise on how a finite framing is fundamental here.


His SOP is to insult and belittle posters. "Not sufficiently familiarized." LOL
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 05:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Cic I have been avoiding directly any conflict with you so please if you don't understand the basic of basics just drop the conversation you have no clue just how much you are embarrassing yourself...
JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 05:19 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
O.K., it SEEMS that one should LOSE neither objectivity nor subjectivity so they will not come LOOSE.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 05:23 pm
@JLNobody,
Ty for that J, I meant lose of course...loose intends as free floating while lose the opposite of winning which often I confuse with whining... Wink
(I know the terms but I tend to miss type when replying quickly.)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 05:36 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Here you go again! You wrote,
Quote:
if you don't understand the basic of basics
.

Who the **** are you? Nobody to me! You're one ignorant SOB who seems to belittle others with your asinine comments and opinions.

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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 06:06 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I am not making blind guesses.
I am demonstrating that you are.

But I am glad you had a good time golfing.
The one time I tried that, I nearly knocked myself unconscious. I hit so low on the ball that it flew almost straight up, and I could feel the wind on the side of my face as it flew past.
I might have been using the wrong iron...
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 06:34 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Quote:
...this is about the need for an objective source, an objective perceiver, and an objective phenomena, which is relationally dependent, that is what subjective refers in !


On what basis do you claim there is such a need?
Are you proposing that there is no conceivable way reality might exist without it?
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 06:51 pm
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno%27s_paradoxes
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 07:17 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Still about the problem on infinite regressions...
From the same link:
Quote:
...Peter Lynds has argued that all of Zeno's motion paradoxes are resolved by the conclusion that instants in time and instantaneous magnitudes do not physically exist.[25][26][27] Lynds argues that an object in relative motion cannot have an instantaneous or determined relative position (for if it did, it could not be in motion), and so cannot have its motion fractionally dissected as if it does, as is assumed by the paradoxes.

Another proposed solution is to question one of the assumptions Zeno used in his paradoxes (particularly the Dichotomy), which is that between any two different points in space (or time), there is always another point. Without this assumption there are only a finite number of distances between two points, hence there is no infinite sequence of movements, and the paradox is resolved. The ideas of Planck length and Planck time in modern physics place a limit on the measurement of time and space, if not on time and space themselves. According to Hermann Weyl, the assumption that space is made of finite and discrete units is subject to a further problem, given by the "tile argument" or "distance function problem".[28][29] According to this, the length of the hypotenuse of a right angled triangle in discretized space is always equal to the length of one of the two sides, in contradiction to geometry. Jean Paul Van Bendegem has argued that the Tile Argument can be resolved, and that discretization can therefore remove the paradox.[3][30]

Hans Reichenbach has proposed that the paradox may arise from considering space and time as separate entities. In a theory like general relativity, which presumes a single space-time continuum, the paradox may be blocked.[31]

The paradoxes in modern times

Infinite processes remained theoretically troublesome in mathematics until the late 19th century. The epsilon-delta version of Weierstrass and Cauchy developed a rigorous formulation of the logic and calculus involved. These works resolved the mathematics involving infinite processes.[32]

While mathematics can be used to calculate where and when the moving Achilles will overtake the Tortoise of Zeno's paradox, philosophers such as Brown and Moorcroft[4][5] claim that mathematics does not address the central point in Zeno's argument, and that solving the mathematical issues does not solve every issue the paradoxes raise.

Zeno's arguments are often misrepresented in the popular literature. That is, Zeno is often said to have argued that the sum of an infinite number of terms must itself be infinite–with the result that not only the time, but also the distance to be travelled, become infinite.[33] However, none of the original ancient sources has Zeno discussing the sum of any infinite series. Simplicius has Zeno saying "it is impossible to traverse an infinite number of things in a finite time". This presents Zeno's problem not with finding the sum, but rather with finishing a task with an infinite number of steps: how can one ever get from A to B, if an infinite number of (non-instantaneous) events can be identified that need to precede the arrival at B, and one cannot reach even the beginning of a "last event"?[4][5][6][34]

Today there is still a debate on the question of whether or not Zeno's paradoxes have been resolved. In The History of Mathematics, Burton writes, "Although Zeno's argument confounded his contemporaries, a satisfactory explanation incorporates a now-familiar idea, the notion of a 'convergent infinite series.'"[35]

Bertrand Russell offered a "solution" to the paradoxes based on modern physics,[citation needed] but Brown concludes "Given the history of 'final resolutions', from Aristotle onwards, it's probably foolhardy to think we've reached the end. It may be that Zeno's arguments on motion, because of their simplicity and universality, will always serve as a kind of 'Rorschach image' onto which people can project their most fundamental phenomenological concerns (if they have any).
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 07:24 pm
@Cyracuz,
Cyracuz wrote:

I am not making blind guesses.
I am demonstrating that you are.


You are making blind guesses if you are saying that REALITY is subjective. I am saying that REALITY IS what IS...and has to be objective.

Sorry you do not get that.

Quote:

But I am glad you had a good time golfing.
The one time I tried that, I nearly knocked myself unconscious. I hit so low on the ball that it flew almost straight up, and I could feel the wind on the side of my face as it flew past.
I might have been using the wrong iron...
Quote:


Thank you, Cyracuz. It was a banner day...and I have not had many of them this year on the courses.
 

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