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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2012 08:47 pm
I have an issue with liars and charlatans who profit from the naive and susceptible, especially when the victim thereof is grief-stricken due to the loss of a loved-one.

Everyone has the ability to (cold-read) another.
Some are exceptional at such.
And some will manipulate and/or profit from such.

Question:
Is it, in any way, WRONG to give False-hope to someone, even if it, in the least, offers them a brighter, yet false, reflection of reality?
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nothingtodo
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2012 08:52 pm
@mark noble,
I find, yes. Wrong.

How wrong, appears determinable later.. Though rarely do all factors become presented for that to be known, particularly outside the onus of the readings or such. Hence peace is gained at expense of unknown factors worldly.

Perhaps it is merely the sign of the times, the more acceptance, the more the hidden aspects remain hidden, then spring.

However, if lifelong faith includes such, isolation of the collective is in the realms of potentiality, then problems are negated. Until your counter arrives.
Hmm...
mark noble
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:07 pm
@nothingtodo,
This is one issue I share the 'hmm'.

Having close religious (fixed) friends, and friends that have lost both children and grandchildren. It is awkward conveying reality to those that find solace in fantasy.

nothingtodo
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:09 pm
@mark noble,
Yes, thank you, it is a strange world indeed, when one loses a sister and ponders the nature of all... surely eternity prohibits the requirement for insistence of that questionable lot.

Solice of man, broken only by the break itself.
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thel00ker
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:10 pm
@mark noble,
It really depends, I personally don't think that giving false hope is wrong. There are people that instead of seeng and accepting the truth they simply prefer too follow a lie. And this makes them happy. Many Religions arose with this principle on mind. " hey, instead of rotting for years after you die, you will go to heaven where you will meet all the people that died, and you will live in this perfect place for eternity where all your sins are forgiven"
This is not bad to believe, but when the christian church for example starts making a profit out of this by asking people for its money in return of forgiving the sins of the dead, this becomes twisted and evil.
It is not bad to give false hope, but it think that making a profit out it is actually wrong.
nothingtodo
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:14 pm
@thel00ker,
Astute and perceptive, however such shifts through your life, in my opinion, it will be stated so, meant different, for many. Money is not the driver, money is the facilitator, the twist is in the many, the many are learning to counter the twist.
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mark noble
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2012 09:23 pm
@thel00ker,
I never force my reality upon others, for it is only relative to me, but I also never refrain from disseminating the preposterous.

I now tend to redirect or avoid such conversations with certain friends, but, if cornered, I find it impossible to paint false-realities.
This has proven to produce episodic awkwardness, but long-term relief.
Great care is upheld in delivery though.
nothingtodo
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2012 03:54 am
@mark noble,
Well, someone has to leave a trail through the fairy tale to the higher truth.

Is that worth anything.. If faith is savior and the road is burning your feet?
I cannot say it is worth zero.

I have never had a discussion with a human... except approx 5 times. About universe or all or God or mans endeavors.
nothingtodo
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2012 04:04 am
@nothingtodo,
If anyone looks back through my posts, at this juncture I would appreciate being allowed to point out that I have kept the physical abuse in, as a man should, also that the very idea that females are fruit is preposterous to a 12 year old boy!

Never mind not immediately recognizable as symbolism.

They birthed me in an asylum of a room you morons.
All this tedium for what?
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jan, 2013 05:13 am
@mark noble,
I would not lie to someone mate...

If they came to me and asked me certain questions, before I answered them, I would ask them if they are prepaired for the truth no matter what? If they say they are, then you can tell them....If they say no....Then you do not have to say....If they say something like, that makes me worried....Then you can say there is nothing to fear...because everything happens for a reason...It will ease their mind...And you will not have to say anything more unless they answer either of the first 2 again...

But if you are asking me if a white lie is better than the bold truth at times? Then I would have to say yes, even though I do not like doing it myself...

For instance, if someone was to ask me if they look fat?...If I thought they did....I would not say that they look fat, to them...Because it would just devistate them...But I would never talk to another about it...Or anything like that...

And I would just say..No you look fine or beautiful...to me...just the way you are...Because it does not matter what I think anyways, as beauty is always in the eye of the beholder....And if I thought someone did look fat when they had asked me...Someone else would not think that they are....anyways....So I do not think it is really the same thing as a lie...anyways...but white lies are unavoidable mate...

And to answer your other question...I would never use my special gift...To try to make money or make a profit....It destroys the whole meaning of even having the gift...Or giving people advice...Because then most of them...(I would imagine) would bullshit about a lot of things because they probably will not see you again, or for a while in which you may forget things....Or are just soothsaying things because you are putting coin in their pocket...

If you are looking for spiritual advice or something along those lines...Do not ever go to someone who charges...You will never know how genuine they are actually being...
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jan, 2013 05:27 am
@mark noble,
But not to argue with you in your own thread....I do not think a preist is giving false information if he says they are in Heaven...If the people that are going to him are asking the preist, if their child or lost one is in Heaven...Because the priest is just being honest...So if they were to ask you....The the only thing you could say is, is the truth...Which would be something like...well I do not believe in a heaven, but if it is, I am sure they are there....But if it does not exist, like I think it does not, then they are in eternal rest anyways....

No reason to lie, and no reason for them to be upset...either...One way or another a lost one is happy...

Because from my own gifts, I do not think that anyone is in Hell anyways...
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