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What would the World be like if JESUS had never been Born?

 
 
Bibliophile the BibleGuru
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2002 05:16 am
Piffka: you also said:

"I'd rather believe a lot of things than believe nothing. Obviously it is the church of Piffka, but as an individual I believe I have that right."

Of course you have the right to believe what you wish - I haven't stated that you don't, and it would be unreasonable, and certainly outside of the spirit of this discussion thread.

Your comments, and those of others, even if they are different from mine or others, have as much validity to be posted here and discussed. This is why this site is titled Able2Know - if we ask the right questions, such as the title of this thread topic, then we have the potential of learning something from one another. Smile

I assure you, it is not my style to intentionally insult or abuse anyone's beliefs. As Forum Guide I want to encourage varied viewpoints to be listed here. I trust that this thread topic has already displayed those qualities.
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Bibliophile the BibleGuru
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2002 05:45 am
Hazlitt: you said the following:

"I think, saying that if there is no absolute authority, then there is no absolute morality, and this implies that people are free to do as they like, which will result in chaos."

I understand how you arrived at that conclusion, but unfortunately it is an example of antinomy.

The earlier question (it wasn't a statement or conclusion) I asked was: "If the actions, thoughts and beliefs of Humanity can be what ever anyone wants, then who is to say, or decide, what any of us do is right, moral, or just?"

That's all it is - a question. I am not trying to imply anything within the question; I'm interested in explanations or opinions on the consequences of such a question.
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Bibliophile the BibleGuru
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2002 05:49 am
Hazlitt: I omitted to say, "Welcome aboard!"

It's good to see you here, and I appreciate your input to this discussion.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2002 05:51 am
If priests would confine their activities to molesting children, the world would be a safer place

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/2596021.stm
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Bibliophile the BibleGuru
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2002 05:58 am
Steve: Welcome back.

I was aware of the controversy surrounding Mr Chesney - there was a big announcement about it yesterday in Belfast.
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Bibliophile the BibleGuru
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2002 06:03 am
Steve: Of course, I trust you weren't implying in your comment that the molesting of children is OK? or some sort of lesser evil?

Either way, priests practising pedophilia, or the alleged terrorist activities of Mr chesney, both are repugnant and certainly not indicative of Christianity.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2002 06:21 am
No of course I don't think child abuse is ok. It is the worst thing that can happen to a child apart from murder... Crying or Very sad
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Bibliophile the BibleGuru
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2002 06:23 am
The original question for this discussion was:

What would the World be like if JESUS had never been Born?

An extension to this question would be:

Would the World be any different if the birth of Christ wasn't celebrated in December?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2002 06:27 am
...and three children were blown to bits apparantly by a bomb planted by a priest!
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2002 06:30 am
Do you mean not celebrated, or not celebrated in December?
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Bibliophile the BibleGuru
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2002 06:31 am
Steve: thanks for that.

I wanted to give you the opportunity to clarify your comment - it could have been badly interpreted . :wink:
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Bibliophile the BibleGuru
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2002 06:33 am
Steve: ...not celebrated in December.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2002 07:28 am
Thanks for allowing me the opportunity to say I am not in favour of molesting children. Just for the record I'm not in favour of blowing children up either.
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Bibliophile the BibleGuru
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2002 07:33 am
Steve: you're welcome. :wink:
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Bibliophile the BibleGuru
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2002 08:03 am
Would the World be any different if the birth of Christ wasn't celebrated in December?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2002 08:12 am
Are you doing research for a sermon Bib?

My short answer would be no. Sorry if that's not much help.
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Bibliophile the BibleGuru
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2002 08:17 am
Steve: no, my friend. Most of my research on these questions was done twenty years ago, with annual updates being added as I've engaged new ideas and new methods of presenting old ideas. Smile
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BillW
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2002 11:13 am
If Jesus hadn't been borned, then there would have been another!

He wasn't borned at Christmas, but Christmas could only be at the time of the rejoicing of his birth.
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Bibliophile the BibleGuru
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2002 11:32 am
Hello Bill, nice to see you here.

When do you believe Jesus was born?

And why was 25 December chosen as His celebrated birthday?
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Bibliophile the BibleGuru
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2002 11:34 am
Bill: you said, "If Jesus hadn't been borned, then there would have been another!"

What do you mean by this? Is there someone else that you have in mind?
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