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Fellow Bostonians: How many of us wished we had an assault weapon last night?

 
 
InfraBlue
 
  2  
Thu 5 Dec, 2019 12:31 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
In your mind only.

That is incorrect. I posted a fact in reality.

You posted a fact in what your mind regards as reality which is quite a different thing from reality.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 5 Dec, 2019 12:32 am
@InfraBlue,
That is incorrect. Your inability to provide any evidence to back up your claims is proof that my claim is factual in reality.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 5 Dec, 2019 12:33 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
The M4 carbine is evidence.

That is incorrect. You've provided no evidence that the reason why it has a pistol grip is because of any implementation by the military.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 5 Dec, 2019 12:35 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
In your mind, that is.

That is incorrect. That is what the English language means in reality.


InfraBlue wrote:
In your alternate English, that is.

There is no alternate English. I referred to the actual English language.


InfraBlue wrote:
That is not what I meant, nonetheless.

So what does the term "especially dangerous" mean when you use the term?



InfraBlue wrote:
Yes, you did. Saying flash suppressors verses longer barrels is making a comparison.

That is incorrect. I merely asked you to explain why it is significant that someone uses a flash suppressor verses any other method.


InfraBlue wrote:
I already have.

That is incorrect. You dodged the question.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 5 Dec, 2019 12:37 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
You're talking in circles.

No. I'm pointing out that you have no evidence to back up your claims.
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InfraBlue
 
  2  
Thu 5 Dec, 2019 12:40 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
What you're asking for is ridiculous because you'd need a controlled experiment to answer your question. That's much like the tobacco companies saying that there is no proof that smoking causes cancer because there are no controlled experiments proving that it does, that all we have are inferences.

It's not ridiculous to ask you to back up your claims.
Quote:

It's ridiculous to ask for an instance in which pistol-grip or flash suppressor proved to make a murder or mass murder more deadly because that would require a controlled experiment in which one would take groups of people and attempt to murder them with these weapons.

You shouldn't make claims that you cannot back up.

My back up is the fact that the military implements these features in their weaponry to make them more effective in their purpose. This does not include "to give the willies."
oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 5 Dec, 2019 12:47 am
@InfraBlue,
No. "That the military implements these features" is your claim.

Evidence would be some sort of proof that the reason why there are pistol grips on these guns is because the military has implemented them.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 5 Dec, 2019 12:49 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
It's inferred. Like what you're doing with disease and tobacco use.

Inferring something that isn't true doesn't change the fact that it isn't true.


InfraBlue wrote:
I didn't say anything about a "revolutionary breakthrough that dramatically turns a rifle into an especially dangerous gun." I said these features make a rifle especially dangerous.

"dramatically turns a rifle into an especially dangerous gun"

"make a rifle especially dangerous"

Come on now. Those two phrases say the same thing.
InfraBlue
 
  2  
Thu 5 Dec, 2019 12:50 am
@oralloy,
Nuh-uh.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 5 Dec, 2019 12:50 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
You're right. What I've inferred is a conclusion that certain of these features that include pistol grips make a rifle especially dangerous and that these rifles with such features should be banned.

Your inference is contradictory to reality.
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InfraBlue
 
  2  
Thu 5 Dec, 2019 12:51 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
A pistol grip allows for faster and more accurate shooting.

Says who?

Says me.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
So then you don't think a pistol grip is an ergonomic improvement?

What does it matter even if it is?

It matters for the sake of clarification.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 5 Dec, 2019 12:57 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Says me.

What you say isn't true and you have no evidence to back up your claims.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 5 Dec, 2019 12:58 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Nuh-uh.

Wrong again. You still are not able to provide any motivation for outlawing pistol grips on rifles other than the fact that progressives enjoy violating people's civil liberties.

You still are not able to provide any evidence that any of these features (or any combination of those features) make a weapon especially dangerous.
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InfraBlue
 
  2  
Thu 5 Dec, 2019 12:59 am
@oralloy,
@oralloy,
@oralloy,
@oralloy,
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InfraBlue
 
  2  
Thu 5 Dec, 2019 01:00 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
The M4 carbine is evidence.

That is incorrect. You've provided no evidence that the reason why it has a pistol grip is because of any implementation by the military.

I'm saying that the military implements these features such as pistol grips in its weaponry, an example of which is the M4 carbine.
InfraBlue
 
  2  
Thu 5 Dec, 2019 01:04 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
That is not what I meant, nonetheless.

So what does the term "especially dangerous" mean when you use the term?

In regard to these weapons, it means "more effective."

InfraBlue wrote:
Yes, you did. Saying flash suppressors verses longer barrels is making a comparison.

That is incorrect. I merely asked you to explain why it is significant that someone uses a flash suppressor verses any other method.[/quote]
You've written something altogether different than your initial comparison.

You're constantly changing the goal posts, as it were.

InfraBlue wrote:
I already have.

That is incorrect. You dodged the question.
[/quote]
You change the goal posts.
InfraBlue
 
  2  
Thu 5 Dec, 2019 01:12 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

No. "That the military implements these features" is your claim.

The military implements these features as evidenced by the M4 carbine.

oralloy wrote:

Evidence would be some sort of proof that the reason why there are pistol grips on these guns is because the military has implemented them.

That the military has implemented these features on these weapons is self-evident, e.g the M4 carbine.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 5 Dec, 2019 01:14 am
@InfraBlue,
It's not self evident. The military could have chosen those guns for a reason completely unrelated to the presence of a pistol grip.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 5 Dec, 2019 01:15 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
I'm saying that the military implements these features such as pistol grips in its weaponry, an example of which is the M4 carbine.

I know that's what you are saying. But you are not providing any evidence to back up your claims.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 5 Dec, 2019 01:16 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
So then, pistol grips and bayonet mounts are implemented by the military "to give the willies," as Glennn would have us believe, but not selective fire switches. OK.

Except there is still no evidence of the military implementing pistol grips.
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