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Fellow Bostonians: How many of us wished we had an assault weapon last night?

 
 
InfraBlue
 
  2  
Wed 4 Dec, 2019 05:31 pm
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:

Quote:
All that you and the statements that you quote about what the CDC says, and the CDC itself have are inferences.

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Smoking accounts for the vast majority of lung cancer deaths, causing 90 percent of all lung cancer deaths in men and about 80 percent in women. In 2000, a Surgeon General report revealed that tobacco smoke contains more than 4,000 chemical compounds, with 43 being known carcinogens.
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You don't seem to know a declarative statement when you hear one. Apparently you believe that they are guessing at what they are telling you.

Very good, that is a declarative statement. They came to their declaration by way of inference.

Glennn wrote:
Quote:
You're asking me to draw a conclusion from an inference.

No, you're simply refusing to accept that smoking darkens the lungs and accounts for the vast majority of lung cancer deaths. Essentially, you believe in a cause without an effect.

Oh, I accept that smoking darkens the lungs and accounts for the vast majority of lung cancer deaths. I arrive at my acceptance through the inferred conclusions. Also, I do believe in causes and effects.

Glennn wrote:
Quote:
So, where's this study?

You can be shown that cigarette smoke contains carcinogens; that carcinogens are known to cause cancer; that there are 43 known carcinogens in cigarette smoke; and that the CDC has stated that 90% of all lung cancer deaths are caused by cigarette smoke, but those facts are meaningless to you. I can't help you with that.

Oh, they're meaningful to me. They're drawing their conclusions of cause and effect through inference, not controlled scientific experiments, however.

Glennn wrote:
Quote:
What I've inferred is a conclusion that certain of these features that include pistol grips make a rifle especially dangerous and that these rifles with such features should be banned.

Your inferences are meaningless. The point is that you have nothing to back your claim that a pistol-grip makes a rifle especially dangerous. I have invited you to explain how it is that a simple shift of the wrist when holding a rifle makes it especially dangerous. So far, you have come up emptyhanded.

I have explained it. That you don't accept my explanation is another matter.
Glennn
 
  -1  
Wed 4 Dec, 2019 05:44 pm
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
I accept that smoking darkens the lungs and accounts for the vast majority of lung cancer deaths.

Excellent!
Quote:
I have explained it.

No you haven't. I've asked you repeatedly to explain how a shift of the wrist when holding a rifle makes it especially dangerous. You have offered the supposition that this shift of the wrist makes the rifle more accurate and facilitates a more rapid firing rate. However, when pressed to support that claim, you basically tell me that it just does. So unless you have anything to add to your unproven claim regarding pistol-grips, we can move on to flash suppressors or barrel shrouds; take your pick.
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Two women were shot outside a South Carolina State University residential building, according to university officials. Their injuries were not life-threatening. Witnesses told investigators some kind of argument or fight happened off-campus between multiple people. Those people then came onto the SCSU campus, he said. Police are working to identify the gunman and determine whether they have any connection to the university, Clark said. A student who says she was wounded said it began as an argument between two males that led to shots being fired.
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So, is this your idea of school children being slaughtered, and a reason to ban guns?
InfraBlue
 
  1  
Wed 4 Dec, 2019 05:51 pm
@Glennn,
I've already told you, I arrive at my conclusion through inference of the evidence.
oralloy
 
  0  
Wed 4 Dec, 2019 06:30 pm
@InfraBlue,
But your inferences contradict reality.
oralloy
 
  0  
Wed 4 Dec, 2019 06:36 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
You're mischaracterizing what I said. Saying that the specific features described in The Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act make the weapons especially dangerous is not saying that these "turn a rifle into something more than a rifle." Those are your words, not mine.

"Especially dangerous" means that a weapon is far more dangerous than an ordinary rifle.

"Something more than a rifle" means that a weapon is far more dangerous than an ordinary rifle.

Seems pretty similar to me.


InfraBlue wrote:
"Especially dangerous" here means "more effective" in regard to the guns' purpose.

That is incorrect. "Especially dangerous" means that a weapon poses a danger far in excess than that posed by an ordinary gun.


InfraBlue wrote:
Not all murders and mass murders are committed at close range, e.g. Las Vegas. The point about banning flash suppressors is precisely about the capability of hiding a shooter's location with this feature.

Why does it matter if a shooter hides their location with a flash suppressor versus some other method (like a longer barrel for example)?
oralloy
 
  0  
Wed 4 Dec, 2019 06:38 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
The word play is his. Perhaps in your interpretation of words it conveys the same meaning, but not in mine.

The term "especially dangerous" means that a weapon is far more dangerous than an ordinary rifle.

The term "more than a rifle" means a weapon that is far more dangerous than an ordinary rifle.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Wed 4 Dec, 2019 06:40 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Yeah, that's Glennn's rational, as well, for the military implementing some of these features in their weaponry, "'cause it gives the willies."

I've asked before for evidence that the military is implementing these features. You've never provided such evidence.
oralloy
 
  0  
Wed 4 Dec, 2019 06:41 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
And continues...

That is incorrect. You cannot provide any motivation for outlawing pistol grips other than the fact that progressives enjoy violating people's civil liberties.

You also cannot provide any evidence that any of these features make a weapon especially dangerous.
RABEL222
 
  2  
Wed 4 Dec, 2019 08:46 pm
@Glennn,
If you were capable of understanding what you read you would see the first 5 words of my post answer your question.
Glennn
 
  -1  
Wed 4 Dec, 2019 09:38 pm
@RABEL222,
Oh sure. Two guys having an argument that started off-campus which led to shots being fired is pretty much the same thing as two guys going into their school with semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and explosives for the express purpose of killing their classmates, and then killing themselves. Sure. Pretty much the same thing. Anyone would be a fool to not see the similarities.
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InfraBlue
 
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Wed 4 Dec, 2019 10:59 pm
@oralloy,
That's merely your opinion.
InfraBlue
 
  2  
Wed 4 Dec, 2019 11:11 pm
@oralloy,
@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
You're mischaracterizing what I said. Saying that the specific features described in The Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act make the weapons especially dangerous is not saying that these "turn a rifle into something more than a rifle." Those are your words, not mine.

"Especially dangerous" means that a weapon is far more dangerous than an ordinary rifle.

"Something more than a rifle" means that a weapon is far more dangerous than an ordinary rifle.

Seems pretty similar to me.

Thanks for explaining your all's alternate language.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
"Especially dangerous" here means "more effective" in regard to the guns' purpose.

That is incorrect. "Especially dangerous" means that a weapon poses a danger far in excess than that posed by an ordinary gun.

Heh, you're telling me what I mean to say. You're a card.

oralloy wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
Not all murders and mass murders are committed at close range, e.g. Las Vegas. The point about banning flash suppressors is precisely about the capability of hiding a shooter's location with this feature.

Why does it matter if a shooter hides their location with a flash suppressor versus some other method (like a longer barrel for example)?

You're making the comparison, not I.
InfraBlue
 
  2  
Wed 4 Dec, 2019 11:12 pm
@oralloy,
E.g. M4 carbine.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 4 Dec, 2019 11:31 pm
@InfraBlue,
You've offered no evidence that the reason why the M4 has a pistol grip is because of the military implementing the feature.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 4 Dec, 2019 11:32 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
That's merely your opinion.

That is incorrect. It is a fact that your inferences contradict reality.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 4 Dec, 2019 11:38 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Thanks for explaining your all's alternate language.

No alternate language. That is regular English language.


InfraBlue wrote:
Heh, you're telling me what I mean to say. You're a card.

It is what your words mean in the English language.


InfraBlue wrote:
You're making the comparison, not I.

I did not make any comparison. I merely asked you to explain why you attribute some kind of significance to the use of a flash suppressor.
oralloy
 
  0  
Wed 4 Dec, 2019 11:40 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
What is it about gun nuts and willies?

Actually it's the freedom haters that keep talking about them. It's because freedom haters aren't capable of defending their position using facts or logic.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 4 Dec, 2019 11:43 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
You have a weird fascination.

Not really. He's not the one who brought it up.


izzythepush wrote:
Every time it's mentioned out you come screaming about how it's not the case at all.

It is reasonable for people to defend themselves from untrue accusations.


izzythepush wrote:
Why do you feel the need to constantly go on about it?
You don't have to answer that, we all know why.

He is not going on about it. He merely defends himself when someone targets him with name-calling.
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InfraBlue
 
  2  
Wed 4 Dec, 2019 11:55 pm
@oralloy,
Nuh-uh.
InfraBlue
 
  2  
Wed 4 Dec, 2019 11:58 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

You've offered no evidence that the reason why the M4 has a pistol grip is because of the military implementing the feature.

You asked for evidence that the military is implementing these features. I offered an example of the military implementing one of these features in its weaponry.
 

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