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Guns And The Laws That Govern Them

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 1 Sep, 2014 10:50 pm

A homeowner and his son held two would-be burglars at gunpoint after
the suspects tried to break into their home, according to Orchard Park Police.

Officers were called to a home on Transit Road shortly after 1 a.m.
on reports of two people in dark clothing trying to break in.
A second call was received a short time later informing police that the
suspects were being held at gunpoint by the homeowner and his son.

Police arrived on scene and determined 18-year-old Jacob Rappleye
and 22-year-old Anthony Guarino, both of Lancaster, used a ladder
to climb up to a second story window and break into the home.

Both are charged with attempted burglary, criminal mischief,
and unlawful possession of marijuana.

Rappleye was released on bail while Guarino was sent to the Erie
County Holding Center.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2014 01:11 pm
@RexRed,
He was a firearms instructor who happened to be instructing a child. You are an asshole if you think his death is some way justified. Aren't you supposed to be the tolerant one?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2014 05:21 pm

The instructor was running the show.
Any errors of judgment fell on him. He bore the consequences.
Let 's hope that in the future, instructors of automatic weapons training will be more careful
when teaching people of ALL ages.

Any negligence of the decedent does not and CANNOT
screw children of the future out of any of their rights.
If he had fallen off a horse it woud not affect the rights
of children to ride horses.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2014 07:15 pm

Barbara Haley was at home in Omaha, Neb. when she was awakened
by her dog barking. Suspicious, Haley retrieved a .45-caliber pistol and
went to investigate. Initially, Haley didn’t find anyone in the home
and went back to bed. However, another noise roused Haley again,
at which point she discovered an intruder in a bedroom closet.
Haley ordered the man to stay still and held him at gunpoint
in the closet until police arrived.

Following the incident, Haley told a local media outlet,
“I’m glad I had that gun… and I’m thinking they (burglars)
won’t try this again anytime soon.”
(The Omaha World-Herald, Omaha, Neb. 09/02/14)

It blows my mind that people want to disarm future victims of violence,
conceding a MONOPOLY of POWER to the predators.
People who support gun control fight for evil.





David
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2014 07:33 pm
I am so glad I totally ignore your posts David....
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2014 07:37 pm
@RexRed,
I enjoy your humor, Rex.





David
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2014 03:19 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

I enjoy your humor, Rex.





David


It is not humor it is care for the innocent and honesty... If you cannot be civilized you deserve no consideration.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2014 04:43 am
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:

I am so glad I totally ignore your posts David....


Rex, I am on your side on most of this stuff, but I gotta tell ya...

...it is bad form to respond to a post by telling the person to whom you are responding that you are totally ignoring them.

Really.

I can understand David laughing at the irony.
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2014 05:40 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

RexRed wrote:

I am so glad I totally ignore your posts David....


Rex, I am on your side on most of this stuff, but I gotta tell ya...

...it is bad form to respond to a post by telling the person to whom you are responding that you are totally ignoring them.

Really.

I can understand David laughing at the irony.



What you cannot understand is i get a break from his **** for long periods of time... Why eat ****, why listen to crap? Unless you got a taste for it....

David will stay on my ignore list and I will ignore 90% of his posts...

That means not reading them at all.. I am happy with that...

It is MY prerogative....

There are at least six or seven current posts I will never read at all.

Do not ask my true opinion or i might swear and curse a bit.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2014 10:21 pm

SALT LAKE CITY — When Dusti Shepard's husband got a gun last year,
she decided it was time to put aside her fear of handguns and learn to use one.

Besides practicing her skills at a new shooting range in Sandy called
The Armory, the mother of two young children obtained a concealed
firearms license. Now Shepard plans to carry a gun with her at all times.

"I feel the world is a lot more dangerous than it used to be,
and I wanted to be prepared," Shepard said.

According to statistics from the Utah Department of Public Safety,
the number of licenses issued to women by the state of Utah has
steadily increased over the last few years, and last year the numbers shot up.

In 2011, the state issued about 14,000 licenses; in 2012 about 15,000
were issued; and in 2013, 34,597 licenses were issued to women.

In fact, the emerging trend has prompted The Armory to cater to women.
The owners even hired a woman to run the range.

Manager Chandy Bronson said she sees more and more women
becoming comfortable with the idea of carrying a gun.

"Women want to be able to rely on ourselves, to take care of ourselves," said Bronson.
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One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2014 10:25 pm
Sorry, but guns, like the sun, are dangerous no matter which way you look at it, but one thing you can be confident about, is that they do not harm us in any way, it's when people use energy and tools of the Universe to inflict destruction that is the problem.
RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2014 11:39 am
@One Eyed Mind,
One Eyed Mind wrote:

Sorry, but guns, like the sun, are dangerous no matter which way you look at it, but one thing you can be confident about, is that they do not harm us in any way, it's when people use energy and tools of the Universe to inflict destruction that is the problem.


Are guns weapons and people tools or are people weapons and guns tools? (a new slant on this old issue)

It would seem guns are definitely weapons and people are tools...

So do weapons kill or the tools that employ them?

People are both weapons and tools and a gun is also a tool and a weapon.

Not all tools have brains and some weapons are "smart"...
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2014 11:54 am
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:

One Eyed Mind wrote:

Sorry, but guns, like the sun, are dangerous no matter which way you look at it, but one thing you can be confident about, is that they do not harm us in any way, it's when people use energy and tools of the Universe to inflict destruction that is the problem.


Are guns weapons and people tools or are people weapons and guns tools? (a new slant on this old issue)

It would seem guns are definitely weapons and people are tools...

So do weapons kill or the tools that employ them?

People are both weapons and tools and a gun is also a tool and a weapon.

Not all tools have brains and some weapons are "smart"...
Logically, that does not make much sense.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2014 10:14 pm

The Jewish Daily Forward

By Paul Berger

Keeping Guns Away From the Torah in Georgia

Is the person next to you in shul packing heat?

If you live in a state with liberty-oriented gun laws, the answer might be yes.

Rabbi Anthony Fratello, of Temple Shaarei Shalom in Boynton Beach, Florida,
said the only armed congregants he knows of work in law enforcement,
but he would not be surprised if others carry concealed weapons, too.

“Maybe I wouldn’t be so happy to know Chaim Yankel in the back row
had got a gun,” Fratello said “but I can’t do anything about that.
I don’t frisk people when they come in the door.”

The High Holy Days are a time of heightened security, but this year,
some American communities feel particularly vulnerable amid reports
of rising anti-Semitism in Europe and heightened tension worldwide,
including at home, following the war between Israel and Hamas.

Recent reports of anti-Semitic incidents in New York and in Los Angeles,
as well as a racial supremacist’s killing of three people in shootings
five months ago at Jewish institutions in Overland Park, Kansas,
have only increased that sense of insecurity.

Although most synagogues hire additional security for the High Holy Days,
for some congregants, bringing guns to synagogue is a sensible option.
Indeed, congregants with concealed carry licenses say it is not that
unusual — carrying weapons is part of their daily routine.

I usually carry a gun everywhere,” said Bill Osofsky, a 65-year-old
who lives in Ogden, Utah.

Osofsky said he did not know if his synagogue, Congregation Brith Sholem,
prohibits weapons. “They certainly discourage it, but I wasn’t concerned
about that,” said Osofsky, who is about to move out of state.
“There are higher priorities to me. My safety goes beyond synagogue policy.”


Osofsky first applied for a concealed carry license in 1993, when he lived
on Long Island in New York. He wanted a gun for self-defense after
six people were killed and 19 injured in a shooting spree on the Long Island
Railroad, but Osofsky found it too difficult to get a license in New York.
When he moved to Utah 17 years ago, the process was much simpler.

It is easier to get a concealed carry license in the 39 states known as
“shall issue” states, where authorities must issue a concealed carry license
unless there is a demonstrable reason not to do so. Such states include
Florida, Texas and Illinois. In “may issue” states, such as California
and New York, concealed carry licenses are much harder to obtain
because they are issued at the discretion of local authorities.

Some rabbis approve of congregants coming armed to synagogue,
though they are a minority.

Rabbi Stuart Federow, who leads Shaar Hashalom, a Conservative
congregation in Houston, said that because synagogues are a prime
terrorist target, he is thankful for congregants who arm themselves.
He said that dozens of people of all ages show up to an informal
Jewish group called Glocks & Bagels, which meets infrequently at
a local firing range.

“I know there are members of my congregation who do, in fact, carry guns when
they are at my synagogue. I have no problem with them doing that,”
Federow said.

Congregation Shearith Israel, in Atlanta, Georgia has no official policy allowing guns,
which makes the carrying of a firearm inside the building against Georgia law,
but apart from the “philosophical” problem of violating the law, the congregation’s rabbi,
Hillel Norry, said he does not mind if a congregant brings a concealed weapon to services.
“We have an armed security guard… every Shabbat,” Norry said “but he’s just one guy.”

Rabbi Akiva Males, of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, said that he, too,
has no problem with the few congregants he knows of who have
a concealed carry license and who bring a weapon to services.

Males cited the experience of one congregant, Josh First, who was
walking to synagogue with his 9-year-old daughter and 4-year-old son
in 2008 when they were attacked by two pit bulls. First he shot one of
the dogs at point blank range as he chased his son. The shots fatally
injured the dog and scared away the other.


Had I not had a license to carry firearms and a concealed 9 mm pistol,
without a doubt my 4-year-old son would have died and my 9-year-old daughter
would have been badly mauled and possibly killed,”
First explained in a
letter to the congregation after the incident.

Still, most rabbis the Forward spoke to oppose congregants bringing a
weapon to synagogue. “Let’s say somebody gets in [to the synagogue]
who shouldn’t and has a gun and starts shooting,” said Rabbi Peter Berg,
of Atlanta. “What happens? Does every congregant who has a gun
start shooting randomly and it’s a free-for-all?”
[No, not "randomly"; thay aim at the guy
who started killing them
and then thay put away their guns
after thay hit the target. David]


Berg is part of a coalition of clergy in Georgia that earlier this year
opposed Gov. Nathan Deal’s bill to expand the places people could
legally carry a weapon to include bars, schools and places of worship.

Berg knows firsthand the perils of people bringing a concealed weapon
into a synagogue. In 2007, when Berg was a rabbi in Dallas, an 81-year-old
congregant accidentally dropped his gun during a service, shooting
the congregant’s daughter in the foot. “He was a police officer,
so he is trained to use a gun,” Berg said.

The wording of Georgia’s gun bill was amended so that concealed weapons
were permitted in places of worship only if the institution had a
specific policy allowing people to do so.

The bill prompted many Georgia synagogues to post signs prohibiting
weapons and to email congregants to remind them that the synagogue
is a no-gun zone. The board of Agudath Achim, a Conservative congregation
in Savannah, emailed congregants in June, reminding them that “it has been,
and remains, illegal for anyone other than a police officer or security
guard engaged by the synagogue to carry a concealed weapon into
the synagogue building.”

Rabbi Joel Mosbacher, a gun control activist based in Mahwah, New Jersey,
said synagogue protection should be left to private security firms,
and to the police. Mosbacher’s father, Lester Mosbacher, was shot
and killed during a robbery in Chicago in 1939.

Mosbacher said that far from making synagogues safer, congregants
carrying weapons only make it more dangerous because of the risk of accidents.

“The culture of gun love in this country is what is astounding to me,”
Mosbacher said “and that’s true everywhere, and no less in certain
parts of the Jewish community.”

Following the shootings in Overland Park, this past April, several rabbis
in Kansas City said that congregants have asked about security for the
High Holy Days. All three of the victims, none of whom was Jewish, were
shot outside the Overland Park JCC and the Village Shalom senior center.

Since the attack, the Department of Homeland Security, the FBI and local
police have worked with Jewish institutions to assess and tighten security.

Jacob Schreiber, president and chief executive officer of the Jewish
Community Center of Greater Kansas City, said that the JCC will soon
hire a community director of security who will advise all Jewish facilities
on how to make buildings safer. “Our awareness of security is heightened,
and we are actively doing things about it, so people don’t necessarily
feel the need to take it into their own hands,” Schreiber said.

Even so, Schreiber added: “I think some synagogues have people that
quietly carry guns
in their tallis bags. Are people talking about it more?
Yeah, I’m sure they are.”

[All emfasis and colored remarks have been added by David.]
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One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2014 11:53 pm
Rex, stop being an emotional putz already and learn to accept that no matter what, our hands are weapons; the water of our world is a weapon; poisonous dust is used for weapons, my god, your ignorance is used as a weapon - SHUT THE **** UP. LOL.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2014 06:57 pm

MISSOURI LEGISLATURE OVERRIDES
ANTI-LIBERTY VETO


Overnight, Senate Bill 656 received final approval from the Missouri
House of Representatives, and the veto by Governor Jay Nixon (D)
was overridden

Things started late yesterday when the state Senate took up SB 656
during the veto override session and approved it by a 23 to 8 vote. 
The House approved this measure by a 117 to 39 vote, with
supporters from both sides of the aisle.

As you might recall from an earlier ILA alert, Governor Nixon vetoed
SB 656 and stated:
“Arming teachers will not make our schools safer,” Governor Nixon said. 
“I have supported and will continue to support the use of duly
authorized law enforcement officers employed as school resource officers,
but I cannot condone putting firearms in the hands of educators
who should be focused on teaching our kids.”

Sponsored by state Senator Will Kraus (R-8) and handled in the House
by state Representative Kevin Elmer (R-139), SB 656 addresses
the following issues: 

Allows the open carrying of firearms in all localities with a carry license. 
Some localities currently have ordinances that ban open carrying
of firearms, even by those with a valid carry license.

Allows a school district to designate a teacher or administrator to
qualify as a school protection officer and carry a firearm on school
property with the proper training. Current law already allows a
school district to allow those with a concealed carry license to carry
a firearm on school property – this would allow school personnel to
undergo extensive police training.

States that no law shall require health care professionals to inquire
about a patient’s ownership or possession of firearms and prohibits
the documentation of such information into a database.

Reduces the age from 21 to 19 for those wishing to apply for a
concealed carry license.

Allows someone to qualify for a concealed carry license using a revolver
or semi-automatic pistol, rather than having to qualify with each firearm.

Requires one instructor for every forty people for the classroom portion
of a firearms safety training course.  Current law allows only forty
people per classroom regardless of the number of instructors present.

Specifies that no public housing authority shall prohibit a lessee or
a member of the lessee’s immediate household or guest from
personally possessing firearms within an individual residence,
common areas, or from carrying or transporting firearms to and from
such residence in a manner allowed by law.

SB 656 will take effect thirty days after the veto session.  Your NRA-ILA
thanks the state Senators and Representatives who were willing
to stand and fight for your Second Amendment freedoms.
[All emfasis has been added by David.]
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2014 07:37 pm

A new effort to allow students to carry firearms on Baylor University’s
campus will be proposed Thursday night, according to a student senator.
Gannon McCahill, 20, a senior studying finance at Baylor, said the
student senate will vote on a resolution about 6 p.m. Thursday
to permit concealed carry on campus for students with concealed handgun licenses.

The Waco Tribune
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2014 07:41 pm

A man was at home in Rancho Cucamonga, Calif. when a group of burglars
knocked at the door. When the homeowner didn’t respond, the criminals
attempted to break-in through a window. The homeowner responded
by firing at one of the criminals, missing, but prompting the burglars to flee.
(The Press-Enterprise, Riverside County, Calif. 09/08/14)
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2014 11:53 pm
Bowling for Columbine

I would post my video here too but it has been banned from the internet.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2014 11:59 pm
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
Bowling for Columbine
I wish that the VICTIMS
of that massacre had been well armed, as I was when I was a student,
but thay chose to obay all of the gun control laws; thay paid the price of that decision.

The PENALTY for obaying gun control laws is DEATH
in the discretion of violent predators. (That means IF thay feel like it.)
 

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