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Guns And The Laws That Govern Them

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jul, 2014 10:58 am
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
I think you need to reread that story.
The guy was asked for a cigarette and said he didn't have one.
The guy asking for the cig then pulled a gun and made his statement.
That isn't even close to what you described.

Sounds like the guy asking for the cig was the one looking to shoot someone.
Why else would he do what he did. I would have shot him as well in the same position.
Yes. That shud have been obvious to Rex.
He is blinded by his impassioned abhorrence of personal freedom of defense.

He is a true liberal (an enemy of liberty).





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2014 04:29 pm

Yesterday, Michigan Governor Rick Snyder (R)
signed into law a bill that expands firearms safety training
opportunities for Michigan youth. House Bill 5085, which took
immediate effect as Public Act 201 of 2014, corrects an unduly
burdensome restraint on youth firearm education by reasonably
expanding the class of individuals who are allowed to supervise
and instruct Michigan’s youth in the safe use of pistols.

"This new law makes it easier for young people to gain critical pistol
safety training
in a controlled environment," noted Chris W. Cox,
Executive Director of the National Rifle Association Institute for
Legislative Action. "In the past, family members, scout leaders and
even firearms range instructors could not instruct youth unless a
parent was physically present. In practical terms, this will mean more
Boy Scouts can qualify for pistol shooting merit badges and grandparents
will now be able enjoy a day at the range with their grandkids."

House Bill 5085 achieves this goal by amending the previous law to
provide that an individual who is 21 years or older, has successfully
completed a state certified pistol training course, may supervise
and provide instruction in the safe use of a pistol at a target range.

"Safety training and familiarity are the two most important components
for decreasing the likelihood of firearm accidents," added Cox.
"On behalf of the NRA's five million members, we want to thank
the Boy Scouts of America, Michigan Coalition for Gun Owners,
the bill sponsors and Governor Rick Snyder for supporting this
important piece of legislation."

[All emfasis has been added by David.]
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2014 03:55 am

Rex, the FBI and the ATF killed more children
at Waco, Texas than were killed at Sandy Hook
.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2014 04:03 pm

Although rarely in the public eye, the Wash., D.C.-Beltway crowd
are getting an eyeful of crime victims shooting their attackers
in a most unusual place this morning -- USA Today.

In stories their readers don't normally get to see, a paid advertising
column in the Life section features news of people who are alive
today because they had ready access to fully loaded guns -- including
so-called assault weapons -- and were able to shoot down vicious
thugs who attacked them.

These first responders -- as the column calls them -- get very little
national press, and the second responders, the police, who typically
show up later, are mislabeled, leading to a badly misinformed public,
according to The First-Responders Report TM, the first in an ongoing series.
The second column is scheduled for next week.

"Black Bystander with Gun Saves Mother,
Helps Capture Assailants"
Read the column
http://www.gunlaws.com
"When seconds count, the police are just minutes away," says Alan Korwin,
quoting common-sense street logic. He is the publisher at GunLaws.com
and Bloomfield Press, which is sponsoring the columns. "People who
are victimized by murderous criminals are the real first responders.
Out here we know that. It's important to set that record straight, and
just maybe, to convince the media to get it right." The national media
perpetually suppresses such stories.

"I once had an AP bureau chief tell me they don't want to run stories like this because
they don't want to encourage this kind of behavior; it could create copy cats,"
Korwin recalls.
"That stunned me."

"What was wrong with having people stop criminals? If the AP was
afraid people would copy behavior they wrote about, how can they run
incessant stories about people who go berserk?" he asks. "Do I have to
complete that thought for you?"

Some media critics agree that constant glorification of psychopaths
in the news creates copy-cat behavior, but if this is true, it is all the
more reason to feature people who stand up to criminals and, instead of
becoming statistics in waves of crime, are heroes who stop aggressors
dead in their tracks. Studies show it happens a lot -- innocent civilians
stopping crimes and the police picking up the pieces, afterwards.

"Woman Alive Thanks To Sidearm;
Calls 911, Then Shoots Attacker"
Read the column
http://www.gunlaws.com
A person confronted by an active shooter or a crime in progress has
two basic choices -- do nothing and hope the maniac leaves you alone,
or do something to protect yourself. The law has always protected
people who act to defend their lives in such situations.

The media in the past has been quick to show crime, but
unfortunately have chosen not to prominently show cases of self defense,
giving the public a terribly distorted view of reality. There is no penalty
for giving the public a terribly distorted view of reality, or for violating
the clear codes of ethics the industry itself has developed but does
not enforce. Reporters are not currently regulated or licensed, and
don't need to pass any level of competency or testing to practice, so
little action can be taken against those who misrepresent the public trust.
They are also protected by the Bill of Rights.
The First-Responders Report TM aims to change this false impression
and both improve gun safety and do something about crime.

USA Today has taken an important step in moving this issue to the
front of the national stage, and we thank them for it, even if it was an
expensive proposition. And yes, we will gladly entertain inquiries from
those interested in sponsoring future editions of the column in
the Wash., D.C-area and other regions of the country.
The company's USA Today advertorial column can be viewed at GunLaws.com.

BACKGROUNDER
According to an analysis of related New York Times stories, in a single year,
that paper ran 104 gun-crime articles totalling 50,745 words, balanced
by a single 163-word story involving a retired cop. In USA Today for
the same year, the word total was 5,660 words on gun-involved crime
with nothing at all for balance. USA Today has earned some respect
for giving this issue the light of day, even if it's only as an ad.

Analysis of anti-gun bias in the news:
http://www.gunlaws.com/JohnLottMediaBias.htm
Comprehensive details on news-media bias:
http://www.gunlaws.com/NewsAccuracy.htm
Even the smallest scholarly studies estimate hundreds of thousands
of armed self-defense incidents annually. The largest estimates run
into the millions, with 2.5 million annually the most often cited figure,
from a Florida State University study. All 13 studies are summarized
and reviewed in a book Bloomfield Press sells entitled Armed,
New Perspectives on Gun Control, by Gary Kleck and Don Kates.

[All emfasis has been added by David.]
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2014 05:30 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:


Rex, the FBI and the ATF killed more children
at Waco, Texas than were killed at Sandy Hook
.


No, they didn't. The ATF killed no children since they were not there when the Branch Davidians started the fire and committed suicide.

The FBI didn't kill anyone since the Branch Davidians started the fire themselves.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2014 09:18 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:


Rex, the FBI and the ATF killed more children
at Waco, Texas than were killed at Sandy Hook
.


No, they didn't. The ATF killed no children since they were not there
when the Branch Davidians started the fire and committed suicide.

The FBI didn't kill anyone since the Branch Davidians started the fire themselves.
BULLoney! U r trying to get away with liberally re-writing history.
Thay were both present.
Thay gassed the children with inflamable gas.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2014 09:28 pm

Former New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin
was sentenced to 10 years in federal prison Wednesday.
Nagin, a former member of Bloomberg's gun control group,
"Mayors Against Illegal Guns", oversaw the robbing citizens of their guns by police
in New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina.
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jul, 2014 02:01 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

parados wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:


Rex, the FBI and the ATF killed more children
at Waco, Texas than were killed at Sandy Hook
.

No, they didn't. The ATF killed no children since they were not there
when the Branch Davidians started the fire and committed suicide.
.
BULLoney! U r trying to get away with liberally re-writing history.
Thay were both present.
Thay gassed the children with inflamable gas.





David

You are the one rewriting history David.

The ATF made the original raid. After the ATF was fired upon the FBI took over the situation and the compound was under siege for 51 days before the final fire. The ATF was not involved with the siege. So your claim the ATF killed children is false because the ATF wasn't there a the time of the fire.
It was the FBI. To claim the ATF killed children would be as logical as claiming that the NRA killed children at Sandy Hook.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege

The FBI didn't kill anyone since the Branch Davidians started the fire themselves


The investigations of the fire have all reached the conclusion based on evidence and testimony of Branch Davidians that the fire was started by the Branch Davidians so your claim that the FBI killed children is false.
http://www.cesnur.org/testi/DanforthRpt.pdf
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jul, 2014 02:30 pm
@parados,
The FBI took over, but the ATF never left
until the children had been negligently murdered by Janet Reno
because she got tired of waiting.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jul, 2014 06:52 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

The FBI took over, but the ATF never left
until the children had been negligently murdered by Janet Reno
because she got tired of waiting.

Oh good God. Since you want to make that claim, please provide some evidence to support your outlandish statement. The FBI took over and the ATF was not involved in negotiations or an assault on the compound.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jul, 2014 11:45 pm
@parados,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

The FBI took over, but the ATF never left
until the children had been negligently murdered by Janet Reno
because she got tired of waiting.
parados wrote:
Oh good God. Since you want to make that claim,
please provide some evidence to support your outlandish statement.
I lived thru it. I read the daily news reports.
I m not going to research it to please u.

parados wrote:
The FBI took over and the ATF was not involved in negotiations
or an assault on the compound.
U are probably correct in regard to "negotiations".
It became a joint FBI and ATF operation after the FBI took over.

Janet Reno shud have been criminally prosecuted.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 12:16 am

The Herald Tribune

One of the five new gun bills that Gov. Rick Scott signed into law last
month already has been used by an armed citizen who is being hailed
as a hero for stopping a violent stabbing.

The gun owner, Edwin Sullivan, fired a warning shot causing the
attacker to freeze, which deputies said saved the victim’s life.

The “Threatened Use of Force” bill, which was also known somewhat
incorrectly as the “Warning Shot Bill,” was one of five gun bills pushed
by the pro-gun activists during the last legislative session.

It allows an armed citizen to display, or point, their defensive firearm
at an assailant without criminal charges, assuming the threatened use
of force is justifiable.

Although “warning shots” are not specifically mentioned, they’re
also covered by the new law.

According to court documents and Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Office
reports, Sullivan and his wife were sitting in their home last
Wednesday around 1 a.m. when they heard a car accident nearby.

Sullivan looked out his front window and saw that a car had struck
a light pole.

“Soon after, he observed what appeared to be a shirtless black male,
later identified as Luke Sherrill, running from a black male with dreads,
later identified as Paul Royes,” the report states.

Sullivan later told deputies that Royes allegedly had “what appeared
to be a large military style black knife in his hands while chasing Sherrill.”

Once Royes had cornered Sherrill, according to reports, he allegedly
“thrust and slashed the knife at Luke numerous times.”

Fearing for the man’s safety, Sullivan retrieved a firearm from
his home, walked outside and fired a warning shot into the air.

“All subjects immediately stopped, and Sullivan held them at gunpoint
until deputies arrived,” the report states.

Sullivan had never met Royes or Sherrill before.

It turns out the pair have had several prior violent encounters,
including one earlier that night.

Sherrill, 25, was rushed to a local hospital.

Royes, 24, was charged with aggravated battery with a deadly weapon.

“Several witnesses stated that had Edwin Sullivan not intervened
with a warning shot, they felt that Paul Royes would have killed
Luke Sherrill,” deputies noted in their report.
========================================================

I am not of the opinion that it is wise for a citizen
to become involved in such 3rd party fights as this.

The results can be very expensive, even if u win
your criminal and civil litigation. Legal fees alone
can (and already have for some people)
reach into the millions of dollars.

If I 'd been in Mr. Sullivan 's position, as a witness,
I 'd just have called 911 and let the victim take his chances.





David
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 07:00 am
@OmSigDAVID,
None of which supports your claim that the FBI and ATF killed children. Contemporaneous news reports didn't say the FBI and ATF killed children. No news agency would risk being that wrong on facts.

Quote:

Janet Reno shud have been criminally prosecuted.
For what? You seem to have no clue about what happened in Waco.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 07:07 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

None of which supports your claim that the FBI and ATF killed children. Contemporaneous news reports didn't say the FBI and ATF killed children. No news agency would risk being that wrong on facts.
Thay filled their home with the inflamable gas
that incinerated them. Is that not bad enuf ?
parados
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 07:10 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Wow. You really don't have a clue about the fire.

Quote:
Government agents did not start or spread the
tragic fire of April 19, 1993, did not direct gunfire at the Branch Davidians, and did not unlawfully
employ the armed forces of the United States.
In fact, what is remarkable is the overwhelming evidence exonerating the government from the
charges made against it, and the lack of any real evidence to support the charges of bad acts. This lack
of evidence is particularly remarkable in light of the widespread and persistent public belief that the
government engaged in bad acts at Waco. On August 26, 1999, for example, a
Time
magazine poll
indicated that 61 percent of the public believed that federal law enforcement officials started the fire at
the Branch Davidian complex.

So.... what evidence do you have David other than your idiotic memories of what happened?
parados
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 07:12 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Thay filled their home with the inflamable gas
that incinerated them. Is that not bad enuf ?

So, now you are arguing that the FBI inserted fuel from Coleman lanterns into the compound?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 11:28 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Thay filled their home with the inflamable gas
that incinerated them. Is that not bad enuf ?

So, now you are arguing that the FBI inserted fuel
from Coleman lanterns into the compound?
No; a different gas.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 12:40 pm

The president of the Miami-Dade Police Benevolent Association
has issued a warning to all residents of Miami-Dade after possibly
budget cuts could be hitting the area. John Rivera has urged
people to arm themselves because the police will probably not be coming
.

According to wsvn, the proposed budget cuts would create
a negative impact on public safety.

John Rivera, president of the Miami-Dade Police Benevolent Association,
said, “If the mayor’s not going to provide security, then my recommendation,
as an experienced law enforcement officer for nearly 40 years, is either
buy yourself an attack dog, put bars on your windows and doors
and get yourself some firearms because you’re
going to have to protect yourselves.
We won’t be able to.”

These comments followed the decision by Mayor Carlos Gimenez
to cut $64 million from the 2014-2015 budget which will result
in the loss of at least 600 police jobs in the county.



WHEN SECONDS COUNT,
THE POLICE ARE ONLY A FEW MINUTES AWAY
.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 08:32 pm
@parados,
HOW can anyone's memories be "idiotic"????
Does that mean memories that
do not support your Marxist anti-liberty lusts??
Is that the operative criterion????

Never have I heard a psychologist or psychiatrist
describe any memory as being: "idiotic".
Mr. Parados invents his own definitions
as he goes along.


parados wrote:

Wow. You really don't have a clue about the fire.

Quote:
Government agents did not start or spread the
tragic fire of April 19, 1993, did not direct gunfire at the Branch Davidians, and did not unlawfully
employ the armed forces of the United States.
In fact, what is remarkable is the overwhelming evidence exonerating the government from the
charges made against it, and the lack of any real evidence to support the charges of bad acts. This lack
of evidence is particularly remarkable in light of the widespread and persistent public belief that the
government engaged in bad acts at Waco. On August 26, 1999, for example, a
Time
magazine poll
indicated that 61 percent of the public believed that federal law enforcement officials started the fire at
the Branch Davidian complex.

So.... what evidence do you have David other than
your idiotic memories of what happened?
I am not so impassioned as to search it out, as I indicated to u b4,
but I lived thru it and I do not have amnesia.
Count me as being within the 61% that u mentioned
in whatever that was in your anonymous quote.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2014 08:41 pm

TRIUMPH and REIMBURSEMENT

While litigants generally bear their own costs in the American legal system,
certain provisions of federal law allow parties who prevail in
“proceedings in vindication of civil rights” to be awarded reasonable attorney’s fees.
NRA has once again used these provisions to recoup attorney’s fees from the City of Chicago.
You would think that Chicago's disarmament-focused politicians
would have learned their lesson after being court ordered to pay NRA
over $600,000 in legal fees for work done by NRA attorneys on
McDonald v. City of Chicago. Nevertheless, Chicago has once again
been court ordered to pay NRA’s legal fees, this time $940,000
for work on Illinois Association of Firearm Retailers v. City of Chicago
(formerly Benson v. City of Chicago). That case challenged the prohibition
on lawful gun sales within the city. As noted earlier this week, this
brings Chicago’s recent total for NRA legal fees to over $1.5 million.

That's a lot of cash, even to politicians who are spending their constituents' money.
Still, the city’s new push to keep gun dealers away through over-regulation
may well indicate that its aldermen and its mayor, Rahm Emanuel,
remain willing to spend even more taxpayer funds to support even
more symbolic and ineffective gun control.
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