Guns And The Laws That Govern Them

@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

parados wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Thay filled their home with the inflamable gas
that incinerated them. Is that not bad enuf ?

So, now you are arguing that the FBI inserted fuel
from Coleman lanterns into the compound?
No; a different gas.

What gas? It seems you want to make **** up and then can't back it up with anything.

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@OmSigDAVID,

No, you have an idiotic memory. Your memory is senseless, mindless, brainless, thoughtless and unintelligent.

My anonymous quote? Oh, you mean the quote from the official investigation that actually looked at the evidence as opposed to your idiotic memory that you think carries some weight even though it is clearly wrong.

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@parados,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

parados wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Thay filled their home with the inflamable gas
that incinerated them. Is that not bad enuf ?

So, now you are arguing that the FBI inserted fuel
from Coleman lanterns into the compound?
No; a different gas.

parados wrote:

What gas? It seems you want to make **** up and then can't back it up with anything.

At the end of that horrible attack,
the aggressors sent forward something like a battletank
with a protuberance attached, while blaring the lies
that: "this is not an attack!" The protuberance injected
an inflamable gas (I don t know WHICH gas) which caught fire
and incinerated all of the American citizens in refuge within.

Talking about making things up (did u notice how I avoided
use of your filthy obscenity??), u apparently quote from
an exculpatory self serving set of Clinton excuses?? Yes ?
He shud have been impeached for THAT in addition
to lying about Monica.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

]At the end of that horrible attack,
the aggressors sent forward something like a battletank
with a protuberance attached, while blaring the lies
that: "this is not an attack!" The protuberance injected
an inflamable gas (I don t know WHICH gas) which caught fire
and incinerated all of the American citizens in refuge within.

David

Except you are wrong. The gas they inserted was not flammable and did not cause the fire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CS_gas

All one has to do is check the flammability of CS which is (1) which means it has the same combustibility as plywood.

It's really quite funny how you insist that things are the way you think they are in spite of all evidence to the contrary.

They inserted 7 gallons of CS gas over the course of the siege according to court records. That would be less combustibility than one sheet of plywood. In order to combust the CS gas which would be suspended in the air, the air temperature would have to be above 200 degrees and it appears the saturation would have to be about 15% of air.

If you have evidence they inserted something other than CS gas then by all means present us with that evidence. If you have evidence that all the MSDS for CS gas are wrong, then by all means present us with that evidence because it would be a crime for manufacturers to lie about the properties of a product on their MSDS.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

]At the end of that horrible attack,
the aggressors sent forward something like a battletank
with a protuberance attached, while blaring the lies
that: "this is not an attack!" The protuberance injected
an inflamable gas (I don t know WHICH gas) which caught fire
and incinerated all of the American citizens in refuge within.

David

Except you are wrong. The gas they inserted was not flammable and did not cause the fire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CS_gas

All one has to do is check the flammability of CS which is (1) which means it has the same combustibility as plywood.

It's really quite funny how you insist that things are the way you think they are in spite of all evidence to the contrary.

They inserted 7 gallons of CS gas over the course of the siege according to court records. That would be less combustibility than one sheet of plywood. In order to combust the CS gas which would be suspended in the air, the air temperature would have to be above 200 degrees and it appears the saturation would have to be about 15% of air.

If you have evidence they inserted something other than CS gas then by all means present us with that evidence. If you have evidence that all the MSDS for CS gas are wrong, then by all means present us with that evidence because it would be a crime for manufacturers to lie about the properties of a product on their MSDS.

U know this from being there, checking
and from your vaunted expertise in chemistry, right??

I am going by the daily news reports of the time.
Your mouthing off does not impress me; probably no one.

David

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Here is a beautiful video of 9 year old
American youth, in gunnery training with a .44 Magnum revolver:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmnL5vZxHjA

I hope Rex likes it.

David

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Burglar Shot by 12 year Old Girl With Glock
Defending Her Home:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS7LKwt1j18

11 Year Old Girl With Pink .22 Caliber Rifle
Defends Her Home From 3 Burglars:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiiQQP4-Ijw

Brave defender girl says: "I felt proud of myself."

Farmer says: NO. U r too young. U shud have
put the gun down to protect the burglars!
Let the 3 criminals do whatever thay wanted.
Take your inspiration from Neville Chamberlain; peace at ANY price.

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@OmSigDAVID,

I know this from the congressional investigations and the Danforth report. It also comes from news reports as to what chemical was used.

As to the flammability of CS gas, that comes from being able to read a simple MSDS.

It isn't my mouthing off. I can direct anyone to the MSDS for CS gas from several manufacturers.
http://www.defense-technology.com/pdfs/msds/1182-37LRSpedeHeatCS.pdf

http://www.chemtura.com/msd/external/e/result/result_main_fs.jsp?C003=*&C002=*&C001=MSDS&P_LANGU=E&P_SYS=6&C013=20016355

http://www.galls.com/photos/documents/galls/pdf/SD223_Sabre_MKIV.pdf

Don't take my word for it or yours David. Go read the MSDS for the gas you claim was inflammable.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

I know this from the congressional investigations and the Danforth report.
It also comes from news reports as to what chemical was used.

As to the flammability of CS gas, that comes from being able to read a simple MSDS.

It isn't my mouthing off. I can direct anyone to the MSDS for CS gas from several manufacturers.
http://www.defense-technology.com/pdfs/msds/1182-37LRSpedeHeatCS.pdf

http://www.chemtura.com/msd/external/e/result/result_main_fs.jsp?C003=*&C002=*&C001=MSDS&P_LANGU=E&P_SYS=6&C013=20016355

http://www.galls.com/photos/documents/galls/pdf/SD223_Sabre_MKIV.pdf

Don't take my word for it or yours David. Go read the MSDS for the gas you claim was inflammable.

Trying to pull a fast one again, huh, Parados???
That 's YOUR allegation, not mine.
I told u that I don t know what gas the FBI & ATF used
on their victims. I only know that the news media at the time
said that thay injected an inflamable gas which ignited inside
the victims' place of refuge, incinerating them.

David

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@RexRed,

RexRed wrote:

IF this were to be true,
then: NO ONE SHUD HAVE ANY CHILDREN, Rex.

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@OmSigDAVID,

You choose to believe what was wrong if it was reported that way by a reputable media. Rather then attempting to confirm your memory is right you just declare it is while refusing to check out the facts. Bully for you. Reality is what you want it to be not what it is.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

You choose to believe what was wrong if it was reported that way by a reputable media. Rather then attempting to confirm your memory is right you just declare it is while refusing to check out the facts. Bully for you.

IF I take the trouble to Google old news reports,
to read them again, to re-confirm what I already remember, THEN
what do I do about it?????
Get all hot and bothered and sit here stewing
and cursing Janet Reno??? Demand her impeachment?? I don t think so.

I don t think its worth it.

parados wrote:

Reality is what you want it to be not what it is.

In that case,
I will re-define the nazis, the commies and the liberals out of existence.

Reality goes to freedom-loving fanatical Individualists
and gun control is purged from experience and from memory.
No taxation will exist except sales taxes & importation tariffs,
with a maximum cap of $2O, OOO per tax payer to be paid in taxes
to any and all governments combined, with most social programs to be ended, to economize.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

IF I take the trouble to Google old news reports,
to read them again, to re-confirm what I already remember, THEN
what do I do about it?????
Get all hot and bothered and sit here stewing
and cursing Janet Reno??? Demand her impeachment?? I don t think so.

David

If you took the time to do that you might find that your memory is not what you think it is. It might be eye opening for you.

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@parados,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

IF I take the trouble to Google old news reports,
to read them again, to re-confirm what I already remember, THEN
what do I do about it?????
Get all hot and bothered and sit here stewing
and cursing Janet Reno??? Demand her impeachment?? I don t think so.

David

parados wrote:

If you took the time to do that you might find that your memory is not what you think it is.
It might be eye opening for you.

How many times in a circle
do u feel a need to go ????

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@OmSigDAVID,

Only long enough to make you realize you have Alzheimer's since your memory doesn't work well any more.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

RexRed wrote:

IF this were to be true,
then: NO ONE SHUD HAVE ANY CHILDREN, Rex.

There is a thing called "maturity" David, you should try it sometime...

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@RexRed,

Rex, if maturity were
what u allege it to be, twisting its definition
into perversity, then Stalin, Mao and Hitler
wud have been the finest models of "maturity".

Sacrifice of our Constitutional Rights is not "maturity".

David

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@parados,

parados wrote:

Only long enough to make you realize you have Alzheimer's
since your memory doesn't work well any more.

I dismiss your leftist insolence out of hand.

David

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A pair of masked and armed robbers entered Bennett Valley Jewelry
in Santa Rosa, Calif. Once inside, one of them then went behind the
counter, assaulted the store’s manager and held her hostage.

After becoming aware of the situation, store owner Ty Visscher
retrieved a gun and fired at the criminals, striking both and causing
one to flee. Police captured remaining robber shortly after the shooting.
An investigation revealed the criminal to be a gang member
who was paroled less than two weeks before the robbery.

Following the incident, local business owner Molly Bray shared
her support for Visscher, telling reporters of the jewelry store owner,
“He’s such a big, macho, great guy. Very protective and loving to everybody…
So I’m sure he wanted to protect his people.”
(KPIX, San Francisco, Calif. 07/11/14, KTVU, Oakland, Calif. 07/10/14)

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