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Guns And The Laws That Govern Them

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2014 11:20 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
I believe that my magnanimity woud (in large measure)
depend on my mood of the moment.
spendius wrote:
I was not talking about magnanimity Dave.
I was talking about self-interest.
In the sense of avoiding
becoming mentally sick from erroneous beliefs of guilt???
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2014 09:10 am

GUNS
The Untold Truth

By John Gaver
Updated October 17, 2005

Forget everything that you've been told about guns.
Ignore the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution.
Disregard all of the dramatic press reports.
Regardless of how good the arguments on either side of this issue may
seem to their proponents, most of them will have absolutely no effect
upon their detractors. That is because they do not answer the single
most important question to all involved.

What About ME?

What about ME? What about MY personal safety? What about MY children?
What about MY family? Regardless of which side of the fence you are on,
it all comes down to the question of your own personal safety and that
of your loved ones. Any argument that does not address this question
will fall on deaf ears.

With that in mind, let me demonstrate conclusively that any restriction
placed upon gun ownership is not only contrary to your best interest,
but does in fact, increase the likelihood that you or a loved one will
become the victim of a violent crime.

The Criminologists' Story

The most revealing fact in the gun-control controversy is that among
all of the criminologists who have ever changed their opinion on gun control,
EVERY LAST ONE has moved from a position supporting gun control
to the side skeptical of gun control and not the other way around...
NOT EVEN ONE! Think about the significance of that one simple fact.

Criminologists are the experts who study crime, criminals and their motivation.
Their entire career centers around the collection and analysis of
statistics surrounding crime and the tools of crime. These are the
people who make it their business to know and understand how,
when, where, why and by whom guns (or any weapon, for that matter)
are used and, like anyone in any job, they learn more as they grow in the job.
So, if the evidence were there to support gun control, wouldn't you
expect that at least a few Criminologists would have switched from
opposing gun control to supporting it?

Think about it...

The mere fact that the more a Criminologist learns, the more likely
he will be to oppose gun control, should tell you something.
Criminologists who started out supporting gun control are having
to face the fact that gun control has not worked anywhere that it has
been tried and that you are safer in a society where guns are not
restricted, than in one where gun control laws are in effect.

Even Dr. Gary Kleck, the nation's leading scholar on crime and firearms,
began his research as a staunch gun control advocate. He is a member
of the ACLU, Amnesty International USA, and Common Cause - certainly
not someone who you would label as a conservative. He is not and has
never been a member of or contributor to any advocacy group on either
side of the gun control debate. Yet today, he has moved, by his own
words quoted in The Denver Post, November 28, 1985, "beyond even
the skeptic position." That is quite a shift.

James Wright, a gun control advocate who received a grant to study
the effectiveness of gun control laws from President Jimmy Carter's
Justice Department, was surprised to discover, during the course of
his research, that neither waiting periods, background checks, nor
ANY gun control laws were effective in reducing violent crime.

In an article titled "Second Thoughts About Gun Control", in the spring 1988
issue of "The Public Interest", Wright said, "I am now of the opinion
that a compelling case for stricter gun control cannot be made."

Those are just two very visible cases. The list of noted criminologists
who have abandoned the gun control position is long and distinguished.
Yet not a single noted criminologist has switched positions in the
other direction - NOT EVEN ONE.

The Challenge

I challenge any of my readers to provide even one single example of
any criminologist who has had his work, skeptical of gun control,
published in a respected professional journal and then later published
works supporting it. Such evidence does not exist. That's because the
more they learn, the more obvious it becomes that gun control has
never worked anywhere that it has been tried.

Interesting Facts

In a thesis titled "Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and
Nature of Self-Defense With a Gun", in the Northwestern University
School of Law, Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, vol. 86, issue 1,
1995, Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz revealed some interesting facts.

Now, before anyone tries to dismiss the findings of this study as biased,
because the study's author is pro gun ownership, let me remind you
that the Dr. Kleck, who authored this study, is the same Dr. Kleck,
who began his career as an opponent of private gun ownership.

Furthermore, criminologist Marvin E. Wolfgang, who has researched
guns and violence for more than 25 years and is one of the most
outspoken opponents of private gun ownership, after reading this
study, praised the methodology that was used, in a paper titled
"A Tribute to a View I Have Opposed," published in the Journal of
Criminal Law and Criminology, vol. 86, Issue 1 (Fall 1995), p. 188.

In that article, Wolfgang begins by saying:

"I am as strong a gun-control advocate as can be found among the
criminologists in this country. If I were Mustapha Mond of Brave New
World, I would eliminate all guns from the civilian population and
maybe even from the police."

Those are certainly not the views of your ordinary anti-gun type.
This is a man who represents the ultimate in anti-gun philosophy but
to his credit as a researcher, he was not so proud that he would deny
the excellent methodology employed by Kleck and Gertz. He went on
to say:

"What troubles me is the article by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz.
The reason I am troubled is that they have provided an almost clear-cut
case of methodologically sound research in support of something
I have theoretically opposed for years, namely, the use of a gun
in defense against a criminal perpetrator... I have to admit my
admiration for the care and caution expressed in this article
and this research."

Wolfgang concludes by saying:

"The Kleck and Gertz study impresses me for the caution the authors
exercise and the elaborate nuances they examine methodologically. I
do not like their conclusions that having a gun can be useful, but I
cannot fault their methodology. They have tried earnestly to meet
all objections in advance and have done exceedingly well."

Principal among the facts that Wolfgang was disappointed to learn,
is that Guns are used for self-defense between 2.1 Million and
2.5 Million times every year. The following facts from the Kleck/Gertz study,
relate directly to this fact.

In the vast majority of those self-defense cases, the citizen will only
brandish the gun or fire a warning shot. In less than 8% of those
self-defense cases will the citizen will even wound his attacker.
Over 1.9 million of those self-defense cases involve handguns.

As many as 500,000 of those self-defense cases occur away from home.
Almost 10% of those self-defense cases are women defending themselves
against sexual assault or abuse.

This means that guns are used 60 times more often to protect the
lives of law-abiding citizens than to take a life.
At an estimated 263 million US population, in 1995, when the study
was released, it also means that an average of 1 out of every 105 to
125 people that you know will use a gun for self-defense every year.

Dr. Kleck also wrote in his book titled "Point Blank: Guns and Violence
in America (Social Institutions and Social Change)" that burglars are
more than three and a half times more likely to enter an occupied
home in a gun control country than in the USA. Compare the 45%
average rate of Great Britain, Canada and Netherlands with the 12.7%
of the USA. He continued to point out that citizens shoot and kill at
least twice as many criminals every year as do police (1,527 to 606).
In a related article titled, "Are We a Nation of Cowards'?" in the
November 15, 1993 issue of Newsweek Magazine, George Will reported
that police are more than 5 times more likely than a civilian to shoot
an innocent person by mistake.

The Wall Street Journal reported, in an August 28, 1996 article titled,
"More Guns, Less Violent Crime," that a University of Chicago study
revealed that states which passed concealed carry laws reduced their
murder rate by 8.5%, rapes by 5%, aggravated assaults by 7% and robbery
by 3%. The most impressive single statement in the University of Chicago
Study, which is an ongoing study, is the very first sentence of the
Abstract on the first page.

"Using cross-sectional time series data for U.S. counties from 1977
to 1992, we find that allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons
deters violent crimes, without increasing accidental deaths." -
University of Chicago Study (1st line of Abstract)

A 1979 Carter Justice Department study found that of more than
32,000 attempted rapes, 32% were actually committed. That number
dropped to only 3% when the woman was armed. That means that an
unarmed woman is more than 10 times more likely to be raped than
an armed woman. Think about it.

Since England passed its strict gun control laws, their previously low
murder rate has almost caught up to that of the USA and according
to a Reuters article on October 11, 1998 most other violent crime in
England has passed the US crime rates. This is also supported by an
October 1998 report of the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

How about accidents?

The National Safety Council Report titled, "What Are the Odds of Dying?"
for 1998 reveals that you are almost twice as likely to die from natural
environmental factors (1,521 deaths), such as injuries caused by animals,
plants or exposure to the elements than from an accidental gunshot
(866 deaths). Think about it. The same report shows that you are
more likely to choke to death on a piece of food (1,147 deaths) or die
from falling down stairs (1,389 deaths) as to die from an errant bullet.
You are four times more likely to die in a fire (3,255 deaths) or drown
(3,964 deaths). The simple fact is that there are many things that we
take for granted in life that are much more dangerous than guns.
In 1998, there were 43,501 motor vehicle deaths, 10,255 poisoning deaths,
3,228 deaths from complications or misadventures of surgical or
medical care and 16,274 total falling deaths - maybe we should ban ladders.

In 1998, there were 723 persons killed by falling objects.
Compare that to 866 gun related deaths. So, using the logic proposed
by the anti-Second Amendment types, our lawmakers should require
us to wear helmets at all times.

To put this all into perspective, according to the National Safety Council,
in 1998, of the 150,445 total deaths due to injury in the United States,
the total number of accidental deaths was 97,835. That means that
the 866 accidental gun related deaths amounted to far less than 1%
of all accidental deaths. In other words, the anti-self defense crowd's
accidental shooting argument is nothing but smoke and mirrors.

Don't count on the police

The police realize that when a crime of violence is being committed,
every second counts. Yet, in 1989, the Justice Department reported
in the Bureau of Justice Statistics, Sourcebook of Criminal Justice
Statistics -- 1990, (1991) that there were 168,881 crimes of violence
where police took more than 1 hour to respond but, there's a reason for this.

Of the just under 800,000 combined full time, sworn law enforcement
officers in the U.S., in 2000, only about 150,000 were on duty on the
streets at any given moment to protect a population of roughly 281 million,
at that time. That means that there was one policeman to protect
almost 1900 civilians in 2000. That ratio has not changed significantly
in many years.

But, it's worse than even that sounds. In 2000, over 43,000 of the
listed law enforcement officers were classified by the Bureau of Justice
statistics as "Special Jurisdiction". More than 88,000 are federal officers,
who do not respond to 911 calls. They are the officers whose job is
certainly not to protect you, as an individual. So that means that a
rather significant number of the 150,000 on-duty officers, mentioned
above, are not dedicated to general police work, but to "special tasks".

But, even those numbers are inflated. Many cities, like Houston, have
large, dedicated traffic task forces, that do not fall into that "Special
Jurisdiction" category, yet who are dedicated to special tasks.
Not only are such groups dedicated to special tasks, but they most
often operate on a different radio frequency than regular patrol officers,
so they won't even hear your emergency call. What this boils down
to is that the number officers on the street, to respond to 911 calls,
is much lower than the 150,000, cited by the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
They just didn't break it down that way.

The fact is that policemen just can't be everywhere at once.
There just aren't enough of them. But, here's the real kicker.

The police are not required to protect you, as an individual!

In fact, I challenge you to think of just one case where the police
have actually prevented a crime. When you think about it, the actual
job of the police is not to prevent crime, but to investigate crime,
catch the perpetrator and bring the perpetrator to court - ALL
after the fact.

Think about how the police work. They try to take the bad guys off
of the street. How do they know who the bad guys are? They know,
because the bad guys did something bad (past tense). So, by putting
the bad guy in jail, you can argue that the police prevented potential
crime, protecting the public at large. But the act that put the bad
guy behind bars was a real crime, with real victims.

But, it is not the job of the police to protect individuals.
That is a pretty powerful statement and deserves some support.
There is, in fact, so much support for that statement that I could
write a book on the subject. Fortunately, Richard W. Stevens has
already done that. His very excellent book is "Dial 911 and Die."
I encourage you to get the book and read it. Then, if you don't already
own a gun, buy one and learn how to use it. Your life could very well
depend upon it.

In fact, the courts, including the Supreme Court, have ruled consistently
that the police are responsible only to the public at large and not
to individual citizens. This means that even when police do their best,
the courts recognize that there may be some individuals who they just
can't to get to in time. It happens all too often. When it does, the
citizen is left to fend for himself until the police arrive. That's the
time when even gun control advocates wish that they had a gun,
as happened with many gun control advocates during the 1992 Los Angeles
riots. Imagine their distress when they learned that they had to wait
15 days to get a gun.

Armed Citizens Make Fewer Mistakes Than Police

Don't think that just because the police are trained in the use
of firearms that they are less likely to kill an innocent person.
A University of Chicago Study revealed that in 1993 approximately
700,000 police killed 330 innocent individuals, while approximately
250,000,000 private citizens only killed 30 innocent people. Do the math.
That's a per capita rate for the police, of almost 4000 times higher
than the population in general. OK, that is a little misleading.
Let's just include the 80,000,000 gun owning citizens. Now the police
are down to only a 1200 times higher accidental shooting rate than
the gun-owning population in general.

That still sounds high. So let's look at it in a different light.
According to a study by Newsweek magazine, only 2% of civilian shootings
involve an innocent person being shot (not killed). The error rate for
police is 11%. What this means is that you are more than 5 times more
likely to be accidentally shot by a policeman than by an armed citizen
but, when you consider that citizens shoot and kill at least twice as
many criminals as do police every year, it means that, per capita,
you are more than 11 times more likely to be accidentally shot by a
policeman than by an armed citizen. That is as low as I can get that number.

This is not meant to be an indictment of the police. In fact, because
police often live on the edge, they naturally tend to shoot first and
ask questions later. Although they are trained to repress this instinct,
it does not always work, as evidenced by the number of innocent people
killed by police. Also, since they are generally better marksmen,
they tend to kill, rather than wound or totally miss their target.

The Kleck study shows that police shoot and kill around 600 criminals
each year. Yet the University of Chicago study shows that police killed
330 innocent individuals in 1993. That means that for every two
criminals killed by police, one innocent citizen is killed by police.
Although I have the greatest respect for the police and how they must
respond under pressure, I think that I would much rather trust an armed populace.

Is a picture beginning to develop here?

The sources quoted above are impeccable and the picture that these
facts paint is clear. Even if you don't own a gun, the mere fact that
you or others around you might own a gun significantly reduces the
likelihood that you will become the victim of a violent crime.
The chances that you will be killed or severely injured as a result of
a violent crime drop even more if you do own a gun. The remarkably
low incidence of gun related accidents is overwhelmingly offset by
the significantly reduced likelihood that you might some day become
a death statistic on this page, because you or another citizen close
to you may be armed.

The facts don't lie. Your personal safety is very dependent upon
the right of you and those around you to legally own and carry a gun,
whether you carry one or not.

Don't Believe Hollywood!

It's interesting to note that despite the wide availability of accurate
statistics, the Hollywood elite always seem to have to make up wildly
erroneous statistics for their various television shows and movies,
so as to advance their leftist agenda. For example, in an episode of
"Pacific Blue", one of the policeman characters talking to a child made
the preposterous statement that you are twice as likely to be shot by
accident as by a gun fired in anger. As the facts show, such a
preposterous statement doesn't even come close to the truth,
unless of course, he was referring to accidental shootings by police.

In fact, according to the easily accessible National Safety Council
Report titled, What Are the Odds of Dying?, in 1998 there were 866
accidental gun deaths. Compare that to 11,798 gun homicides or to
the nearly 2.5 MILLION times a year that a gun is used in self-defense.
If Hollywood was right, there would have been over 23,000 accidental
gun deaths, instead of just 866. That means that Hollywood didn't just
miss the mark by a few percent. They got it wrong by a factor of
almost three thousand percent (3000%).

Even though the real facts are easy to find, I can't count the number
of times that I have heard some anti-self-defense type quote that
phony statistic. It has even appeared in a few newspapers. That was
obviously the purpose of having the character on the TV show make
that statement. They wanted people to start spreading their lie around,
as though it was fact. Such blatant mischaracterization is so common
in the movies and on TV, that it leaves no doubt that it could be
anything but intentional.

The Hollywood elite have their own agenda. They don't care about
your safety. If you believe what you hear from the Hollywood elite
or what you hear in the movies, you are doing yourself a severe injustice.
Remember, the Hollywood elite all have bodyguards who carry
(that's right Rosie)... GUNS. It's easy to understand their excuse for
such hypocrisy. They consider themselves to be much better than the
rest of Americans. So, it's natural that they think that self-defense is
a privilege of only people of their exalted status. After all, what's the
use of being a star, if you don't have any extra privileges.

Don't Believe the Media!

You must keep in mind that the media industry is exactly that; an industry.
They must make greater and greater profits to satisfy their stockholders.
Dramatic reports of a child that is shot by another child increase ratings
much more than reporting that 28 women used a gun to fight off rape
today and every day, for that matter (the national average). A heart
rending image of a mother who just lost a child to a drive-by shooting
drives ratings much higher than a dry report that violent crime is down
in states with the least amount of gun control. The simple fact is that
VIOLENCE SELLS!


The Vermont Concealed Carry Law states very succinctly that any
person may carry a concealed weapon with NO permits, fees or registration,
yet according to the FBI, Vermont enjoys the 2nd lowest crime rate
in the nation. Think about it.

Follow the money. If Vermont style gun laws (see sidebar) were
enacted nationwide, violent crime across the country would drop
dramatically, taking media readership, listenership and viewership with it.
Media stocks would plummet. To prevent this, those in financial control
of media corporations use their media outlets to sway public opinion
and prevent an end to gun control.

This is not just something that they only do for gun control either.
Media moguls often use similar tactics to create splashy news regarding
many other subjects, including race relations, the environment and welfare.
They select what they report, based upon splash and dry statistics
about crimes that DIDN'T occur just aren't splashy.

The logic is simple. Splashier news makes for more profit.
You can't blame someone for wanting to make more money,
even if you disagree with how they do it. So, it is imperative
that you remember that those in control of the media have
their own agenda and that agenda does NOT serve YOUR best interest.
Since violence sells and legal unrestricted gun ownership reduces violence,
it is in the media's business interest to promote restrictions on legal gun ownership.

Watch Your Government!

For a number of years now many in government, on both sides of the aisle,
have been chipping away at the rights guaranteed us in the Constitution
and Bill of Rights. Even ignoring the fact that one of those rights is
the right to keep and bear arms, those who would take away our other
rights cannot afford even a remote chance that an armed populace
might some day revolt and I'm not talking about some group of militia flakes.

You can only take so much away from anyone before he finally says, "NO!"
If enough people say "NO" at one time and they are armed, those
who are subverting our rights have a serious problem. If we can be disarmed,
it becomes merely an inconvenience for those in power (a la Tiananmen Square).

But, I'm not suggesting that there is some great government conspiracy.
Quite the contrary, a real conspiracy would be a godsend.
The media would have a heyday. (Remember splashier news makes
for more media profit.) What we are facing is serious self-interest
among many individual elected officials. It's as simple as that.
Like any government, be it democratic of totalitarian, the thing that
they fear most, is an armed populace. It is simply not in the interest
of those who would subvert our rights to have an armed populace.

There are some in Congress who are doing everything that they can
to protect our rights. Unfortunately, it isn't enough. As I pointed out
in the beginning. This issue is all about YOU.

YOU must get involved.
YOU must keep up with the changing issues.
YOU must keep up with what your elected officials are doing
and how they are voting.

Do your own research.

I have advised you not to trust the media, Hollywood or the government
on this issue, so I cannot ask you to trust me. Instead, I ask you to do
your own research. I have provided in this article, as a starting point,
many links to impeccable sources for factual information on guns and
gun control (these links were refreshed as recent at 10/17/05).
I actually have an ulterior motive for asking you to do your own research.
You see, just like the criminologists, whose research enlightens them
to how much damage gun-control does, when you do your own research,
you will come to understand just how important gun ownership rights
really are, in a way that I could never convey in words.

A good starting place is to see how your Congressman and Senators
are voting on gun related issues at: http://capwiz.com/gunowners/issues/votes/
(that link changes from time to time, so if it is no longer active,
just go to http://www.gunowners.org and follow the links
on their home page).

Don't count on the media, your government, your political party,
Rush Limbaugh, the G-Man (Liddy) or even me. Follow the other links
on this page and start doing your own research. Learn the facts and
then make your own decision.

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2014 02:56 pm

U.S. Firearm Production Sets Record in 2012:
AR-15 Rifle Production Up Over 100%


Posted on February 21, 2014
The number of firearms manufactured in the U.S. for sale to American
customers hit an all-time high in 2012, according to the Bureau of Alcohol,
Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ (BATFE) new Firearms Manufacturers
and Export Report. American firearm manufacturers produced roughly
8.3 million firearms for sale in the U.S., a new record, up 33 percent
from the 6.2 million produced for American customers in 2011.

The report shows not only that Americans valued firearms in 2012
more than ever before, but also that they particularly valued the
kinds of firearms that gun control supporters have tried the hardest
to get banned--handguns and semi-automatic rifles
.

Production of handguns rose 32 percent to four million in 2012,
as compared to 2011, including a 36 percent increase in pistols and an
18 percent increase in revolvers
. Production of the AR-15,
the most popular rifle in America, more than doubled in 2012,
to over 825,000, not counting the large numbers made by Remington,
Bushmaster and Sturm, Ruger. Total rifle production rose 38 percent,
to three million, while shotguns rose 18 percent to 900,000.

We’ve been hearing for some time from those who want to ban guns
that Americans aren’t interested in them anymore; that firearm
ownership is on the decline. Like their fanciful notions that gun
crime is somehow “exploding” or that concealed carry licensees are
ticking time bombs, the numbers simply don’t back up their claims.

The anti-gunners are going to need all the “new math” they can muster,
because the 2012 report contains figures for only two months of the
surge in firearm purchases that began with President Obama’s reelection.
Meanwhile, the FBI’s NICS figures indicate that Americans bought
even more firearms in 2013 than they did in 2012.

For those who support the Second Amendment and American manufacturing,
these figures provide cause for celebration. For those still seeking
to ban private possession of firearms, they may want to skip the champagne
and head straight for the aspirin.
[All emfasis has been joyfully added by David.]
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2014 03:13 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
In the sense of avoiding
becoming mentally sick from erroneous beliefs of guilt???


No. It is not as easy as that Dave. In the sense of avoiding the risk of it after having heard that many other people have been driven mad at what they had done. As a fact. And they do not know at the time whether they might not come to be that way themselves as a result of contemplation or of having read or seen something that opened a doubt that the belief might be erroneous.

I read of one such person, who hadn't killed himself, say that he wishes he had been the victim.

Self-justification is alright if you can keep it up.

Fortunately, I never have had to find out which of the two mental dislocations I would be subject to.

The remorse of drivers who kill people on the road, especially children, is well known. Not all I suppose. Some might be able to brush it off. Like the character Jack Palance played in Shane no doubt could.

I stopped all driving for pleasure when it dawned on me what an appalling risk I was taking. Which is all driving now I'm retired. And I've had some flashy wheels in my time.

One thing I do know though. If you haven't killed anybody you don't know what you are talking about. Thank goodness.

spendius
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2014 03:34 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
The number of firearms manufactured in the U.S. for sale to American
customers hit an all-time high in 2012,


Then there must be a growing sense of fear and uncertainty for which the population senses the necessity to get tooled up. Something like that sense animals get of coming storms. Something undefinable.

Something in the air. Something so ethereal that it is only known about from the effect it causes.

A 33% increase does seem a whopper though. That's enough to give 300% profits. It almost could look like near panic.

Somebody said on one thread the other day something about the Texas National Guard marching on Washington. They meant driving of course.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2014 03:41 pm

A Tale of Two Realities:
A Gun Controller's Slanderous Rhetoric
and a Mother's Stand to Save Her Children


Posted on February 21, 2014

Despite current restrictions that place New Jersey well outside
the American mainstream, gun controllers and some state lawmakers
have made clear their intent to push even further in 2014, with wide-
ranging legislation targeting nearly every aspect of the remaining gun
freedom Garden State residents enjoy (or cling to, perhaps more accurately).
Chief among these proposals is a bill that would lower the magazine capacity
limit from the current 15 down to 10. And it appears gun control
advocates are prepared to sink to any level of rhetorical excess
to get it passed.

In a February 14 NJ.com article, Bryan Miller, Executive Director of the
self-proclaimed “faith-based movement to prevent gun violence”
Heeding God’s Call, is quoted as stating, “Nobody needs a 15-round
ammunition magazine unless they are a domestic terrorist or a gangster.”

Miller’s inflammatory remark is a transparent attempt to paint those
who oppose the current legislation as extreme and in league with
violent criminals. Needless to say, it ignores the millions of Americans
who own standard capacity magazines for a variety of lawful purposes.
Further, Miller’s concise list of who needs standard capacity magazines
will no doubt come as a surprise to New Jersey’s law enforcement
officers, who are routinely equipped with magazines with a capacity
greater than 10 and are not subject to the 15-round limit.

As one might expect, Miller’s comments weren’t the only nonsensical
rhetoric from anti-gun advocates on the issue. Later in the NJ.com
piece, the author quotes another magazine ban supporter as saying,
"We do a lot of studying and research and we speak to gun owners and
people all over the political spectrum... We hear universally for hunting,
home protection and sport shooting that a 10 round magazine is certainly plenty.”

By employing the term “universally” the gun control advocate gives
the impression that there is no valid argument for, or group of people
that support, the right to own standard capacity magazines for lawful purposes.
That of course is absurd and begs the question, what sort of “studying
and research” was involved? Given the wealth of evidence and experience
contradicting this gun controller’s statement, one might suspect the
“research” cited consisted of reading the public relations talking
points of Michael Bloomberg and his cohorts or polls conducted only
amongst known gun control supporters.

An October 28, 2013, Gallup poll showed that “Personal Safety/Protection”
is the number one reason cited for gun ownership and an enormous portion
of the handguns and rifles sold for this purpose are specifically designed
to use magazines with a capacity greater than 10. Moreover, a
growing interest in the practical shooting sports, such as 3-Gun,
has led to more shooting sports participants using 11+ magazines
than ever before.

These gun controllers certainly weren’t paying attention to Colorado,
where law-abiding shooters bought thousands upon thousands of
standard capacity magazines, and lined up for 20,000 free 30-round
magazines offered by Magpul Industries, before the state’s magazine
ban went into effect. In one statement, Magpul noted that it had
allocated “a little over a million magazines” to meet the pre-ban
demand from Coloradans. Staunch mainstream opposition to magazine
restrictions was also evidenced by the recall of two Colorado state
senators, and the resignation of a third, in response to the ban.

In fact, support for a 10-round limit is so far from universal, that
another Gallup poll, taken shortly after the tragic shooting in Newtown,
Conn., revealed it to be the least popular of Obama’s failed gun
control proposals.

Further, a recent case of self-defense in Detroit, Mich., brings into
stark relief why millions of Americans choose to arm themselves using
standard capacity magazines. The majority of the episode was
captured on video and can be viewed here.

The incident began when a trio of burglars, at least one of whom was
armed with what appeared to be a handgun, attempted to break in
through the back door of a home, while a mother was inside with her children.
Upon becoming aware of the intrusion, the mother retrieved a semi-
automatic rifle and warned the intruders she was armed. After the
home invaders disregarded her warning and continued battering their
way into the house, the mother fired shots at them, causing them to retreat.
Once outside, one of the perpetrators picked up the weapon he had
dropped and tried to reenter the house. At that point, the mother
fired again, causing him to flee the scene for good. Police arrested
the intruders a short time later and determined that two of them
had been involved in previous home invasions.

In this scenario a mother was forced to defend her home and children
from a gang of experienced home invaders. All of the perpetrators
were determined enough to ignore her warning that she had a gun and
one even renewed the attack after being repelled by the initial shots.
In this case, the mother’s ability to deliver follow-up shots after the
first wave of the attack may well have made the difference between
life and death for her and her children
. If she were to conclude that a
20 or 30 round magazine is necessary for home defense in her neighborhood,
is Bryan Miller in any position to tell her she’s wrong or to impugn her
motives for having it?

New Jersey lawmakers would be unwise to think that the rhetoric of
gun control supporters in any way reflects reality on the issue.
Millions of Americans and scores of New Jersey residents use magazines
with a capacity greater than 10 for self-defense and the shooting sports
every day and while elections might seem a long way off to New Jersey's
legislators, we’ll be sure to remind Garden State gun owners of who did,
or did not, fall for the bogus anti-gun arguments before they head to the polls.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2014 03:52 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
The number of firearms manufactured in the U.S. for sale to American
customers hit an all-time high in 2012,
spendius wrote:
Then there must be a growing sense of fear and uncertainty
for which the population senses the necessity to get tooled up.
No. When I add to my gun collections, I do so out of love and appreciation of beauty.
I have been accosted at gunnery ranges by police who commend me
upon the beauty of my chosen ordnance. I buy them as works of art,
functional works of art. I love my gun collection. I love gunnery practice.
I have since age 8. I am a fairly decent shot.
I have never felt fear about guns. I feel 1OO% safe and fearless now,
however, I have not forgotten that when I 've been attacked before,
I felt fearless then too. I don 't expect any trouble.





David
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2014 03:58 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
You're nothing Dave in a 33% increase. Nothing.

Are you trying to deny that a 33% increase, on an already very large number, signifies a general fear and uncertainty on the basis of your gun collection?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2014 04:22 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
In the sense of avoiding
becoming mentally sick from erroneous beliefs of guilt???
spendius wrote:
No. It is not as easy as that Dave.
In the sense of avoiding the risk of it after having heard that many
other people have been driven mad at what they had done.
The police officer of my example was not mad.
He was sad that he had killed the said lunatic. Sorrow abounded.




spendius wrote:
As a fact. And they do not know at the time whether they might not come to be that way themselves
as a result of contemplation or of having read or seen something
that opened a doubt that the belief might be erroneous.
Shud thay join the Amish or the Quakers???


spendius wrote:
I read of one such person, who hadn't killed himself,
say that he wishes he had been the victim.
I 've heard that too; I dont know what causes it.
Its easier if u get mad at the predator.



spendius wrote:

Self-justification is alright if you can keep it up.

Fortunately, I never have had to find out which of the two mental dislocations I would be subject to.

The remorse of drivers who kill people on the road, especially children, is well known. Not all I suppose.
Some might be able to brush it off. Like the character Jack Palance played in Shane no doubt could.

I stopped all driving for pleasure when it dawned on me what an appalling risk I was taking.
Which is all driving now I'm retired. And I've had some flashy wheels in my time.

One thing I do know though. If you haven't killed anybody you don't know what you are talking about. Thank goodness.
Yes.
Most successful soldiers have psychologically done OK.
I was very pleased and honored to meet Major Dutch Van Kirk,
the Navigator on the Enola Gay B-29 that hit Hiroshima.
He was in good spirits (with good reason!)

I met a cab driver in Las Vegas who said that he was an ex-policeman
and that his last day of work was when he had to kill a violent gang banger. Nervous fellow.

I saw a story on the TV news yesterday wherein a policewoman
shot a teenage boy (both whites) fatally in the chest
when he answered his front door holding an electronic remote control.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2014 04:35 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
You're nothing Dave in a 33% increase. Nothing.
O, I 'd hoped I 'd made a better impression on u, Spendius.
O, the ignominy!!
I 'm heartbroken n crestfallen.




spendius wrote:
Are you trying to deny that a 33% increase, on an already very large number,
signifies a general fear and uncertainty on the basis of your gun collection?
Trying and succeeding, yes.
No one in my environment is in a state of fear.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2014 05:49 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I 'm heartbroken n crestfallen.


I would be too. The idea that your gun collection has anything to do with the 33% increase in firearms is heartbreaking.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2014 07:22 pm
@spendius,
Well, let us clutch our respective gun collections
to our respective bosoms and make the best of it. (Presumably, u have a lot of Webleys.)





David
RexRed
 
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2014 08:49 pm
@RexRed,
Well, we can still get hit by lightning and trucks.

Anyway, I feel safe.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2014 09:19 pm

Two sets of data published by the FBI
seven months apart show
increased gun ownership coinciding
with a reduction in violent crime
.


Last July, the FBI completed its monthly update of an online table
showing the number of firearm-related checks conducted through the
National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).

The new numbers showed that the number of checks increased from
8.9 million during the first six months of 2012, to a whopping 11.4 million
during the same period in 2013, an increase of 29 percent.

Gun control supporters pretend that NICS checks that result in denials
perfectly correspond with the denial of firearms to aspiring violent
criminals, while denying that the numbers of approved checks
indicate anything at all about trends in firearms purchases.
However, while not as reliable an indicator of firearm purchase trends
as the Annual Firearms Manufacturers and Export Reports and Firearms
Commerce in the United States reports complied by the BATFE,
the FBI’s NICS numbers provide a fair indication of such trends.
Even though not all approved checks result in the acquisition of firearms,
some checks result in the acquisition of multiple firearms and even
though some checks are conducted for carry permit purposes, some
firearms are acquired through licensed dealers without a NICS check,
based upon the exemption available in some states for persons
licensed to possess or carry a firearm.

This week, the FBI issued a report comparing the numbers of violent
and property crimes reported by law enforcement agencies during the
first half of 2012 to the numbers reported during the first half of 2013.
According to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports Section, “Preliminary
figures indicate that, as a whole, law enforcement agencies
throughout the nation reported a decrease of 5.4 percent in the
number of violent crimes brought to their attention for the first 6 months
of 2013 when compared with figures reported for the same time in 2012.”

Under the Uniform Crime Reporting System, violent crime consists of
four categories of crime, each of which experienced decreases during
the first half of 2013. Murders decreased 6.9 percent, rapes
decreased 10.6 percent, robberies decreased 1.8 percent, and
aggravated assaults decreased 6.6 percent. Of 30 cities of 500,000
or greater population, 20 reported decreases in murders, two reported
no change in their numbers, and only eight reported increases.


Given these figures, we shouldn’t be surprised that a prominent gun
control messaging guide counsels its readers to “always focus on
emotional and value-driven arguments about gun violence, not the
political food fight in Washington or wonky statistics." This is sound
advice from their perspective, as the facts sure don’t support what
they are trying to do.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 06:25 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Well, let us clutch our respective gun collections
to our respective bosoms and make the best of it. (Presumably, u have a lot of Webleys.)


Okay Dave--but it was you who brought up a suicide resulting from remorse at having ended another life.

Even people who are assured by the police and the coroner that an accident causing a death was not their fault they still blame themselves even if it was just for being there in a hurry.

It is no small thing and your sophistries can't make it one. Trivialising the lives of others trivialises your own.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 08:31 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Trivialising the lives of others trivialises your own.
That does not necessarily follow.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 01:54 pm
@RexRed,
Wow. What a bunch of bullshit. I support both their rights to use guns in self-defense. Why are you such a hater?
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