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Guns And The Laws That Govern Them

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2014 07:48 am
@Frank Apisa,
If I were still running my fine dining SIG,
in NY, I 'd invite u.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2014 07:50 am
@Frank Apisa,
Maybe, I already did ( ? )
I 'm not sure.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2014 08:05 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
spendius wrote:

What's absurd is having 300 millions of guns in circulation.

How 'd u address that??
Ask each of us to throw one of our guns in the garbage ?


I address it by saying that the absurdity of banning kids, and felons who have done their time, from having guns to defend themselves in the manner gun owners claim they need to be, would be avoided. The one absurdity springs from the other.

Both are avoided, and other absurdities as well, by having gun owners being ordered to turn all their guns in and, after an interval for the logistics to be completed, it being a serious crime to be found in possession of a gun unless authorised by the government.

As things stand gun owners can bushwhack non gun owners and seemingly often do. Fighting it out with knives and baseball bats would be far less costly to the economy. And it would provide a more equal playing field. The victims would have a chance.

The logic of the NRA leads to no other conclusion than everybody being armed to the teeth.



spendius
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2014 08:08 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I do not think minors...particularly very young minors... should be allowed to carry guns.


Notice the slippage from grammar school kids to infants in cradles.

Apisa really is a sloppy thinker.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2014 03:24 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
What's absurd is having 300 millions of guns in circulation.
DAVID wrote:
How 'd u address that??
Ask each of us to throw one of our guns in the garbage ?

spendius wrote:
I address it by saying that the absurdity of banning kids, and felons who have done their time,
from having guns to defend themselves in the manner gun owners claim they need to be, would be avoided.
Thank u for replying to my question.
U have successfully cleared up and explained your thinking of your earlier posts.
Concerning criminals, it is my opinion that violent recidivists shud be long-term
ISOLATED from the decent people (preferably not on the North American Continent).
I agree that children and ex-criminals (non-recidivists) who have served their time
shud not be disarmed because thay have defensive needs, like anyone else.
When I was a kid, if my gun had been stolen (by government, or anyone)
I 'd have gotten another gun and continued to enlarge my collection.
(Some of us made them, just as a pass time; some were better gunsmiths than others.)
Some home-made guns, sold in gunstores, are real beauties; fine works of art.
( Incidentally, let us bear in mind that sovereignty is in the citizens,
not in anything as low as a government, our mere hireling employee. )


spendius wrote:
The one absurdity springs from the other.
Both are avoided, and other absurdities as well, by having gun owners
being ordered to turn all their guns in and, after an interval for the
logistics to be completed, it being a serious crime to be found in
possession of a gun unless authorised by the government.
Hay, I got an idea, Spendius:
Y not try that notion by having all owners of marijuana or heroin
be "ordered" to turn all of their drugs in and see how well that works out!??
What do u think? We can make heroin possession or cannabis possession a serious crime,
like the Rockefeller drug laws, right?? If that works out, then everyone who does not care
about being able to defend his life or defend his family from the violence of man or beast
will simply get rid of his guns, right? Throw them in the garbage?

(Maybe we can "order" all owners of beer,
booze & ale to turn their alcohol in; yes?)





spendius wrote:
As things stand gun owners can bushwhack
non gun owners and seemingly often do.
Does that tell us anything of the wisdom of the victims?????
Like people who refuse to use seatbelts ?

Walking around in public un-armed is like drunken driving:
most likely u 'll get home OK, without crashing into anything,
but its un-necessarily risky; un-wise.




spendius wrote:
Fighting it out with knives and baseball bats
would be far less costly to the economy.
Yea, will u see who u can convince to DO that ?

I remember thinking, when I got out of the hospital after intestinal surgery in 2005,
that just (enfeebled) walking again was a challenge. I thought that I better not
get into any fights; a butterfly coud take me, without a defensive weapon.



spendius wrote:
And it would provide a more equal playing field.
The victims would have a chance.
I do well just to be able to walk at all (not far).
Brawling with your chosen implements is not suitable for me.
My surgeon diagnosed me with: "at least 3" hernias;
(he was trying to sell me an implanted mesh).
I 've been counseled against any strain upon my abdominal wall,
e.g. lifting things or brawling with clubs. Hand-held revolvers r OK.


spendius wrote:
The logic of the NRA leads to no other conclusion
than everybody being armed to the teeth.
For years, decades and centuries, we have eagerly embraced that philosophy.
I love my gun collection. I always did. Al Gore was defeated (in his own State)
for the Presidency by people who share my point of vu qua survival and freedom.

Thanx again for your elucidation, Spendius.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jan, 2014 03:28 pm
@spendius,

Quote:
I do not think minors...particularly very young minors... should be allowed to carry guns.
spendius wrote:
Notice the slippage from grammar school kids to infants in cradles.

Apisa really is a sloppy thinker.
That was not Frank Apisa.
That was me, conceding a point.





David
RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jan, 2014 09:40 am
She must be a young republican...

Girl, 4, fatally shoots cousin, 4, while playing at grandpa's Detroit home
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/17/22337466-girl-4-fatally-shoots-cousin-4-while-playing-at-grandpas-detroit-home?lite


I wonder if Grandpa is an Obama supporter now?
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jan, 2014 11:25 am
@RexRed,
Why are you being an asshole about these things? She must have been a republican? WTF!!!
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jan, 2014 04:19 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I took it from your post Dave--

Quote:
Frank Apisa wrote:

I do not think minors...particularly very young minors... should be allowed to carry guns.


Apisa had emphasised grammar school children. IN BEEEG LETTERS presumably because he thinks we only read BEEEG LETTERED DRIVEL. Grammer school children are not "very young children" By conflating the two categories he has craftily tried to make the obvious absurdity of "very young children" owning guns, who would have a suck on the barrel of a gun their parents gave them, and 16 year olds. Like Trayvon Martin say.

The obvious absurdity of the one Apisa thinks will leak into the other and thus prove his EMPHATIC point. That we all have a semi-permeable membrane where our brains are located.

We were brought up on American men finding shooting unarmed people despicable. Bushwhacker was a term of abuse. The lowest of the lowest. Until the movie of Pat Garret came out. And when Lee Marvin shot an unarmed woman in cold blood he was so disgusted with himself that he put a pillow over her head and shot that. Brilliant scene. Pure art.

But I am prepared to allow that we were taken in by those movies. We were very young. And as Bob says--"Things Have Changed". For better or for worse. Until death us do part.

We were shown hundreds of scenes with "Honour" still operational under almost anarchic conditions. Lapses of Honour punished by death and upholding Honour getting the gorgeous heroine: and other lesser rewards.

I was a Laurel and Hardy fan myself. I thought it truer to life. I used to laugh out loud at "Aave coarom t' git mah boy" and when a deep-toned heart- throb launched into "Oh! Wooar a Beewteefarl Maaaaarneeeen' I often had to have my back slapped hard. I enjoyed Woody Allen for a while but he really doesn't have the intellectual reach Ollie and Stan did. Or Roadrunner.

That's how an upscale evolutionist sees it as far as I can tell. How minute variations from one generation to the next are selected in, or out, or part in and then back out again is a complete mystery. It's like a governor which controls the speed of a cage going down a mine-shaft where the adjustments are exercised by the weight of the spinning balls. I have been in a cage operator's control room at a large modern coal nine a few times and had it explained to me.



PS. I had not considered the possibility of you conceding any points as I understood such a thing to be an impossibility.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jan, 2014 04:30 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Y not try that notion by having all owners of marijuana or heroin
be "ordered" to turn all of their drugs in and see how well that works out!??
What do u think?


I don't think guns and those drugs can be equated. And such a proposition is not being discussed anyway. The trade in drugs is a complex subject and might have advantages in certain respects. There are no advantages that I can see to 300 million guns in private hands. And there certainly are disadvantages. An advantage to an individual is not necessarily an advantage to the state.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jan, 2014 01:44 am
@spendius,
DAVID wrote:
Y not try that notion by having all owners of marijuana or heroin
be "ordered" to turn all of their drugs in and see how well that works out!??
What do u think?
spendius wrote:
I don't think guns and those drugs can be equated. And such a proposition is not being discussed anyway. The trade in drugs is a complex subject and might have advantages in certain respects. There are no advantages that I can see to 300 million guns in private hands. And there certainly are disadvantages. An advantage to an individual is not necessarily an advantage to the state.
GLORY to the Individual citizen!

Piss on his lowly employee, the state; let it be damned!

It is difficult for me to put into words the contempt
wherein I hold the state, tho I don't suggest
that it be abolished -- just progressively reduced, curtailed and strangled.

As time passes, we shud progressively reduce the jurisdiction
of the state and progressively lower taxes. Maybe 7% lower every year??

We might consider the merit of progressively reducing the salaries
of government employees, from one year to the next.
If we break their morale, that might result in a decline
in their interference with Individual citizens.

I can t honestly claim to be a real anarchist, but ALMOST.





David
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jan, 2014 06:03 am
@OmSigDAVID,
"Starve the Beast" eh? It might well be the solution I must admit but, then again, it might not.

Would you ban weepie-wailie fee-chewings on TV? There would be a large number of them were the activities of the State to be curtailed to the extent you recommend.

If you didn't ban them you would lose the electoral argument by a considerable margin and thus your position has no point. It's a voice crying in the wilderness. Which is good fun I know as long as there is a back door through which to return to civilised life without anybody seeing you.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jan, 2014 06:20 am
@spendius,
Quote:
"Starve the Beast" eh? It might well be the solution I must admit but, then again, it might not.


I should have added--"It depends what the problem is."
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jan, 2014 07:10 am
The republicans policies are hard at work again...

Philadelphia Police Respond To Shooting At Delaware Valley Charter High School
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/17/delaware-valley-charter-school-shooting_n_4619482.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

Republican logic 101
If you don't like your democratically elected government, republicans advise others to "use a gun to solve disputes" and if you don't like your school it seems the republican party's message to youngsters is, do the same...
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jan, 2014 08:56 am
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:

The republicans policies are hard at work again...

Philadelphia Police Respond To Shooting At Delaware Valley Charter High School
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/17/delaware-valley-charter-school-shooting_n_4619482.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

Republican logic 101
If you don't like your democratically elected government,
republicans advise others to "use a gun to solve disputes" and
if you don't like your school it seems the republican party's message to youngsters is, do the same...
I CHALLENGE U on that allegation, Rex.
Please tell us WHICH Republican said that.
That saying came from Rexred! Admit it!

Rex is just MAKING THINGS UP AGAIN,
out of his anti-freedom imagination!
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jan, 2014 10:41 am
@RexRed,
Seems to me that Democrtic policies are still at work. Gun free zones continue to protect the children. Rolling Eyes

You my friend are a douche bag.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jan, 2014 03:06 pm
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1560609_706537699368098_922198205_n.jpg
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jan, 2014 03:07 pm
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1560609_706537699368098_922198205_n.jpg


Now that was funny, Rex.

And accurate.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jan, 2014 04:31 pm
@RexRed,
How is the ACA working out? Only 2.3 million young people have signed up and are paying for insurance. At the same time 5 million people have signed up for free insurance, well not free, someone is paying for it. Also at the same time, people who are getting their insurance via their employers have seen an increase in their insurance premiums. I'm not talking about the small $20 to $50 increases, we are talking about $100 or more a month. I'm a perfect example of the failure of the ACA. I went from paying $360 a month to $550 a month. I'm not going to see any savings in my insurance, instead it went up. Thank you ACA!
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jan, 2014 06:18 pm
@RexRed,

ADVENTURES IN HYPOCRISY:
Former Marcus Hook, Pa. Mayor James Schiliro — once a member
of Michael Bloomberg’s Mayors Against Illegal Guns — was sentenced
this week for a crime involving firing a gun. Some pretty twisted stuff
here, actually:

Despite impassioned pleas from family and friends
of former Marcus Hook Mayor James Schiliro, a Delaware County Court judge
on Monday sent him to jail. Schiliro was sentenced to 10 to 20 months
for an alcohol-fueled episode last February in which he had a police car
bring a former neighbor – a 20-year-old to whom he said he was
attracted – to his home, made him drink wine, and refused to let him leave
for 31/2 hours. During the encounter, Schiliro threatened to kill himself
and fired a gun into a stack of papers. The man eventually left
and later called police.

The victim seems like a real hero — he kept his cool, talked his way
out of it, and dissuaded the mayor from suicide by reminding him that
his daughter was sleeping upstairs. Among the charges for which Schiliro
was sentenced: “Official Oppression.” Is it too glib to say that in
Southeast Pennsylvania, it’s a crime but in Bloomberg’s New York City, it’s policy? (Okay, then I won’t say it.)
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