Guns And The Laws That Govern Them

Another good reason for CC:

http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/kidnapping-victims-family-shoot-and-kill-abductor-during-amazing-rescue-attempt/

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RexRed said:

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A friend once showed up at my door with a samurai sword, he said, "Isn't this cool?" I said, "well you ain't coming in here with that! You planning on slashing your way though a jungle today?"
Some people are just plain stupid...

A samurai sword is too big and awkward to swing in a crowded room anyway, and he couldn't walk down the street with it or the cops might gun him down.
He needs something like a survival knife discreetly tucked up his sleeve, here's me with mine-

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/knife-quad.gif~original

PS- but for everyday use I'd recommend an even smaller knife because they can easily be kept in your pocket; this is mine, it'll be ideal if i ever have to go into action in a crowded lift (elevator) full of zombies-

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/7831/mflv.jpg

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

Mom's demand action for what? More gun grabbing laws?

Yeah, the same as the laws against marijuana have been so successful.

Baldimo wrote:

The article says: “The fact that he was able to obtain a gun is exactly why gun reform is so desperately needed.
Until we fix this, our children will continue to pay the highest price.”

Do they know where he got the gun? Do they know how long he has had the gun?
That fact that they claim he was able to obtain a gun with no evidence of how
or where the gun was obtained is asking for more gun restrictions.

In my time, I 've known a lot of private gunsmith hobbists.
Its not hard to make guns, nor does it take long.
Guns were among the very first machines made with moving parts,
made many centuries before the advent of electric tools.
Its a lot easier to make them now; much faster.

Baldimo wrote:

It is cases like this where we should have an automatic 10 year sentence
when a crime is committed with a gun.

No. Shud there be differenct sentences depending upon
whether similar injuries were inflicted by a gun, an arrow, a spike,
a garrotte, flaming gasoline in a Molotov coctail bottle (but different than kerosine), a knife,
ran over with a car, poisoned, or bashed in the face with a rock???????

The same injuries (e.g., deaths) shud not be different deponding
upon the modality of execution. Shud there be an automatic sentence
for sending a rabid raccoon against the victim ??

or for rigging a booby trap for him ?

David

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There is apparently technology that will allow guns to be made with absolutely no metal content. It involves 3-D printers.
There is a law that presently prevents that, but it will expire in early December unless it is extended.
I am curious as to whether the pro-gun forces have taken a stand on this.

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@realjohnboy,

It reminds me of the same argument the left uses against voter ID laws. There isn't a problem so why are we making up a law for an issue that doesn't exist.

If people want to print out their own guns and use them lawfully, then why stop them. If they use the gun for an unlawful purpose then jail time just like for a regular gun.

Also, unless they devise ammo that doesn't use any metal, plastic guns can still be picked up by metal detectors. If they can pick up the metal from my mostly plastic lighter then there shouldn't be an issue detecting the ammo used in the gun. It's a non-issue as far as I can tell.

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@realjohnboy,

realjohnboy wrote:

There is apparently technology that will allow guns to be made with absolutely no metal content.
It involves 3-D printers.
There is a law that presently prevents that, but it will expire in early December unless it is extended.
I am curious as to whether the pro-gun forces have taken a stand on this.

The Bill of Rights denies and prevents any jurisdiction
of government in the area of a citizen 's possession of personal defensive guns,
the same as government has no jurisdiction to make u go to Church if u wanna stay home and sleep.
The Bill of Rights does not make exceptions for guns made out of ANYTHING, including plastic,
nor does the Bill of Rights enable government to track guns.
The point is to hold government in subjection by a citizenry that is armed to the teeth,
not for government to hold the citizen in subjection.
"The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms:
the sword and sovereignty ever walk hand in hand" Aristotle On Politics
Sovereignty is in the citizen, not in his hireling, government.
The citizen is the god who created government and who gave it permission to exist,
subject to designated conditions, among which are that possession
of defensive guns will remain beyond the reach of its jurisdiction.

David

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To those RUDELY posting their weapons in this thread, shall I start posting the grizzly pictures of the latest shootings?

Have some decorum people!

Do I need to post stab wounds and gunshot wounds here to make a point?

Do you need to see dead teachers huddled over their young students to wise you up?

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@RexRed,

RexRed wrote:

To those RUDELY posting their weapons in this thread,
shall I start posting the grizzly pictures of the latest shootings?

Do it, if it pleases u; nothing new.
On several occasions, I have posted pictures of my defensive
personal weapon of choice, to wit: a 2 inch .44 caliber revolver
in stainless steel mirror.

I will not object to your grizzly pictures, but I will question the wisdom
of the victims, if thay were so INJUDICIOUS as to be un-armed
at the time of the attacks upon them. It pays to be prepared.
In too many cases, that may well have been the very LAST lesson that thay learned.

I hope, most sincerely hope, that u will post pictures
of dead or wounded predators (human or not)
who were defeated by armed victims, Rex. Do u think that 's fair for u to do??

RexRed wrote:

Have some decorum people!

Do I need to post stab wounds and gunshot wounds here to make a point?

Do you need to see dead teachers huddled over their young students to wise you up?

Yes, please; I will be prepared to ask whether
thay had the foresight to be prepared for self defense; how well equipped thay were
(or whether thay conceded a monopoly of power to the forces of evil)
and how much time thay 'd devoted to defensive training,
in learning effective gun handling practices
and learning successful defensive battle tactics.
I (for one) will be interested to know whether their school
offered life saving courses in those techniques.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Do you carry a loaded weapon into the bathroom when you take a **** David?

It is a SHAME the world you envision the future generations of Americans to live in.

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Why have air marshals? Why not just let anyone bring the weapon of their choice onto the aircraft so they can have a big mid air shootout because someone farted in the back of the plane...

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@RexRed,

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Why have air marshals? Why not just let anyone bring the weapon of their choice onto the aircraft so they can have a big mid air shootout because someone farted in the back of the plane...

Do you have to try to come up with such stupid comments, or does it come naturally?

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@RexRed,

RexRed wrote:

Do you carry a loaded weapon
[I don 't un-load the weapon b4 entering the bathroom, Rex. David]
into the bathroom when you take a **** David?

It depends on WHICH bathroom, Rex.
For reasons of architecture, I 'd know if an intruder broke in
to my home; therefore, I almost never carry guns at home,
but when I 'm in public, then of course I 'm reasonably well armed

http://www.proguns.com/images/used-guns/usedguns247-904/278taurus445.jpg

This piece got me out of a tuff spot when someone shot out
my driver 's side window (bullethole c.3 inches in front of my face)
in another century. Guns are good emergency equipment, Rex.
Guns are health insurance; no kidding.

RexRed wrote:

It is a SHAME the world you envision the future
generations of Americans to live in.

Its a shame that any American citizen is not fully armed to the teeth.
I wanna restore the status quo ante as of around 1905.

It 'd be a better world; people 'd treat each other with more respect.
"An armed society is a polite society" like the Japanese Samurai.

Men whose histories of recidivistic criminal violence have proven them
to be intolerable threats shud be BANISHED and removed from this Continent.

Any American citizen who falls victim to the violence of man or beast
is COMPLICIT in his own misfortune, if he was not sufficiently well armed
and well trained in defensive gunnery tactics.

Failure to be sufficiently well armed and skilled in self defense
is so negligent as to approach being semi-suicidal.

Going un-armed creates an un-safe condition. Its like drunken driving.
U might get away with doing it for a long time; some people have,
but its a dangerous thing to do. Decent Americans are well-armed.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Not to the extent that you advocate... Guns should be a wall around free societies so the center can remain free of such trappings...

A lot of people think the word "police" (from Greek) means "city" but it's true meaning means "wall"...

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@RexRed,

RexRed wrote:

Why have air marshals?

I think this resulted from
having either not enuf well armed passengers to stop hi-jackings to Cuba,
or
that passengers (whether armed or not) were not willing to defend the plane.

RexRed wrote:

Why not just let anyone bring the weapon
of their choice onto the aircraft

It WAS that way; no searches.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Or maybe it is because it only takes a box cutter to take down a plane...

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@RexRed,

RexRed wrote:

Not to the extent that you advocate...
Guns should be a wall around free societies so the center
can remain free of such trappings...

A lot of people think the word "police" (from Greek)
means "city" but it's true meaning means "wall"...

I like the way that the 7th US Court of Appeals put it in Moore v. Sheridan:
the place where you have a right to defend yourself
is the place where you are attacked.

Your right of self defense is inalienable
and it is not confined to an outer wall.

David

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@RexRed,

RexRed wrote:

Or maybe it is because it only takes a box cutter to take down a plane...

Yes; that 's a very good point, Rex.
On 9/11/1, Atta and his friends were fully in compliance with EVERY gun control law in America.
The advocates of victim disarmament must have been PROUD, right??

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

So do we then give everyone box cutters on a plane? Will that keep the plane in the air?

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@OmSigDAVID,

Yes but the inner court should reflect a certain level of decorum or should we all be carrying rocket propelled grenade launchers and ride in tanks to school and the local diner?

The inner court is a sanctuary and should be a hush...

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