Guns And The Laws That Govern Them

@spendius,

spendius wrote:

"Guns And The Laws That Govern Them." is the subject under discussion.

There are natural laws.

Yes; violent counter-attack
against the predatory violence of man or beast, being among them.

David

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Answers sought in aftermath of gun rampage

Pete Williams, NBC News justice correspondent, talks with Rachel Maddow about the ongoing investigation into the shooting rampage that left 13 dead, including the shooter, and 14 injured at Washington Navy Yard, and what questions remain unanswered in the case.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/rachel-maddow/53028376

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"There is something evil in our society..."

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@RexRed,

RexRed wrote:

Answers sought in aftermath of gun rampage

Pete Williams, NBC News justice correspondent, talks with Rachel Maddow about the ongoing investigation into the shooting rampage that left 13 dead, including the shooter, and 14 injured at Washington Navy Yard, and what questions remain unanswered in the case.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/rachel-maddow/53028376

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"There is something evil in our society..."

That evil is GUN CONTROL, in partnership with violent predators,
disarming future victims of felonious violence before those criminal events.

Victims of future violence shud arm themselves
well before those events and fight against gun control.

Criminals dont like it,
when their victims shoot them, back; O.S.H.A. violation on-the-job.

David

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Apparently some of the people on the "we all should have guns" side of this argument are unable to see that several of the recent mass killings have occurred on military installations...places filled with guns and people who know how to use them.

Their arguments that more guns would make us all safer simply do not stand up to logic.

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@Frank Apisa,

Here's a problem with your argument Frank. Military personal on bases are not allowed access to weapons. Unless you are going to the range or deploying you don't have a gun on base. The only people who carry weapons on base on a regular basis, is the military police or govt agencies like the DOD or FPS.

False logic on your part.

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@Baldimo,

And one of the people shot at the Naval Base was an armed security guard. So, having "a good guy with a gun" didn't help to stop the "bad guy". In fact, the shooter just took the security guard's gun, so he gained an additional weapon after shooting him.

You never answered my question about whether you agree with issuing gun permits to blind people.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-blind-carry-guns-in-public-20130911,0,2320246,print.story

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

Here's a problem with your argument Frank. Military personal on bases are not allowed access to weapons. Unless you are going to the range or deploying you don't have a gun on base. The only people who carry weapons on base on a regular basis, is the military police or govt agencies like the DOD or FPS.

False logic on your part.

Nothing false about it, Baldimo...in fact, your side (more guns equal less shootings) is probably the false logic. The reason Fort Hood is called Fort Hood...is because it is a fortress.

The number of shootings and attacks at military bases is appalling…and if you guys were correct that more guns would deter shootings…the last place in the world that gun nuts would attack would be a military installation. The have tanks and bazookas…and LOTS of guns…and people who know how to use them.

The notion of more guns will make for a safer, more shooting-free society is so absurd, I cannot help but wonder what goes on in minds that actually argue the case.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank you are missing a big point. No one on a military base carries a weapon except MP's DOD and FPS. Go walk around a military base and tell me how many people on that base of a gun on them. I will save you some time, the answer is none! All weapons on a military are locked up in an Armory at the specific units AO.

Hate to tell you this but your wrong and very misinformed.

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

Frank you are missing a big point. No one on a military base carries a weapon except MP's DOD and FPS. Go walk around a military base and tell me how many people on that base of a gun on them. I will save you some time, the answer is none! All weapons on a military are locked up in an Armory at the specific units AO.

Hate to tell you this but your wrong and very misinformed.

You are missing a point, Baldimo. A military installation is a FORTRESS. There are guns all over the place...and people trained to use them also.

There is no telling at any moment how many people are walking around toting guns...because some of the people may be going to the range...and MP's may have huge contingents.

A military installation is not a place to screw around with.

But there are attacks on military bases often.

Do you get it.

The availability of guns does not deter shootings.

And if you think that having every military member on base carry a loaded weapon will result in fewer shootings...I can only assume you have never been on a military base...because fights and arguments do break out...and if everyone were armed, the number of shootings would skyrocket.

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@Frank Apisa,

There are not guns all over the place Frank. When was the last time you were on a military base? For me it has only been a few years, and you do not see guns on base. Even those who live on base, have to have permission given by the base commander to have a weapon in your home on base.

Access to guns and violence. If that is the case then tell me how many people are killed on US bases in places like Afghanistan where everyone has a gun. That is the only place in the US military where you will find everyone armed and guns everywhere. I was stationed in Kandahar Afghanistan for 9 months back in 2006. Guess how many fights broke out and guess how many people were shot? The answer is none!

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

There are not guns all over the place Frank. When was the last time you were on a military base? For me it has only been a few years, and you do not see guns on base. Even those who live on base, have to have permission given by the base commander to have a weapon in your home on base.

Access to guns and violence. If that is the case then tell me how many people are killed on US bases in places like Afghanistan where everyone has a gun. That is the only place in the US military where you will find everyone armed and guns everywhere. I was stationed in Kandahar Afghanistan for 9 months back in 2006. Guess how many fights broke out and guess how many people were shot? The answer is none!

Baldimo...arguing this with you is a waste of time.

Question: Are there more guns on the typical military installation or in the typical church?

After answering that question: How many shootings were there in churches during the last week...and how many shootings were there on military installations?

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@Frank Apisa,

There are more guns on a military base, but what is the access to those guns? After all this is about access to guns. No one on a military base has access to those guns unless the Armor Officer or NCO open the armory. They could have a million guns on that base but with no access to them, they might as well not have guns at all.

You are making a false argument about the amount of guns on a military base and the access to those guns on a military base.

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

There are more guns on a military base, but what is the access to those guns? After all this is about access to guns. No one on a military base has access to those guns unless the Armor Officer or NCO open the armory. They could have a million guns on that base but with no access to them, they might as well not have guns at all.

You are making a false argument about the amount of guns on a military base and the access to those guns on a military base.

Go back to the question, Baldimo. And answer it if you will.

You might consider this question: At the moment you are reading his posting...how many guns are in the hands of how many people on Fort Hood?

Do you know?

Could it be lots?

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@Frank Apisa,

And do you think there are more guns in the hands of people on the base...or in the hands of people in the church nearest to you right now?

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@Frank Apisa,

You are not being honest Frank. Of course there are more guns on a military base then in a church. People on the military base DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE WEAPONS ON BASE, EXCEPT FOR DEPLOYMENT AND QUALIFICATION. They do not walk around on base with weapons.

This might be a more interesting conversation if you were being an honest person about what is going on. You can't compare a church and a military base any more then you could compare a police station with a child care facility.

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@OmSigDAVID,

GCA (Gun Control Australia) has asserted that:
Our logic is that shooters are the most ill-disciplined group… That’s what attracts them to guns. It’s a state of mind… They are usually poorly educated, they have never had success at school and were never very good at sport… Guns to them represent something they have never been able to achieve.

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@RexRed,

Are you applying this to the US? Lack of education leads people to want guns because it makes them feel good?

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@Baldimo,

How about we compare a shooting range with a child care facility?

Then let's compare the number of shootings at each.

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