When i made my remark about 1870-1918, i was pulling Walter's leg, and knew that he would come back in fine fettle, as he always does. I know his knowledge of German history to be far superior to mine, and so enjoy reading his posts on the subject. However, Joe, your brief comments are more than a little misleading, perhaps because of the brevity thereof.
Windy City Joe wrote:
Walter is correct: Alsace-Lorraine was part of the Holy Roman Empire until gradually incorporated into France during the reign of Louis XIV, first through the Treaty of Westphalia and later through his policy of reunions. France completed this process of incorporation in 1766, after the death of King Stanislas of Poland, who had been given the duchy of Lorraine as part of the settlement of the War of the Polish Succession.
Louis XIV was five years of age in 1643 at the time his accession. As the settlement in Westphalia was in 1648, and Louis did not take personal control of his kingdom until the death Mazarin in 1661, when Louis was 23, any French input into that peace would have been at the behest of Anne of Austria and Mazarin. This map of Europe, 1648, Peace of Westphalia
[/b] from the collections of the University of Texas, shows (if perhaps not with complete clarity), that Strasbourg and most of what constitutes modern Alsace were already in the possession of France. This is due to the brilliant campaigning of Turenne in that region during the latter, French phase of the Thirty Years War. That France had already begun to absorb much of what once had been the very extensive Duchy of Lorraine is also evident. Whereas it is certainly true that the remainder of the Duchy was inherited by Louis XV, this has little bearing upon the history of the control of Alsace
. The following is from the site Découvrir la Lorraine
Ce sont deux mariages qui, tout naturellement, amèneront la Lorraine à la France. Tout d'abord, en 1736, celui de François III, dernier Duc de Lorraine, avec Marie-Thérèse d'Autriche.
Les droits sur le duché sont accordés par François III, désormais empereur de Germanie, à Stanislas Leszcynski, roi déchu de Pologne, en échange de la Toscane.
Ensuite, en 1766, celui de Marie Leszcynska, fille de Stanislas, avec Louis XV, roi de France, qui héritera du Duché à la mort de son beau père en 1766.
As well, it is rather risible to describe Stanislas Leszcynski as the King of Poland, although that might
be considered technically correct. After all, the Bavarian Elector Max Emmanuel, the "Blue Prince," was perhaps technically Bavarian Elector after the Franco-Bavarian army under his and Marsin's command was routed at Blenheim, but his was a principiate in name only, and at the Pleasure of Marlborough and Prince Eugene only, who were not please to recognize his title. Leszcynski was installed by Charles XII of Sweden as King of Poland, after he (Charles) had wasted a good deal of precious time during the Great Northern War chasing Augustus of Saxony, Augustus "the Strong," around Courland and Poland. He should, instead, have tended to what a more strategically intelligent commander would have recognized as the horrendous threat of Russia. Leszcynski was only "King" from his installation in 1704 until Charles finally managed to lose his army at Poltava in 1709, at which point Augustus resumed his dignity, to which he had been elected freely by the Polish Diet in 1697. Max Emmanuel had at least succeeded to his Bavarian throne by what was then considered the legitimate course of ordinary succession. Stanislas I was never more than a Swedish puppet. It was however, rather generous, and completely in line with a tradition of upholding "legitimacy" on the part of the warring parties in the Polish War of Succession to have made some provision for Stanislas, considering that the French and Spanish had suckered him into trying to "reclaim his throne."
Therefore, although your remarks about how Lorraine
was eventaully absorbed by France are more or less correct (certainly flawed with regard to the influence of Louis XIV), this has no bearing on the history of Alsace
. Nice try, though . . .