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AIR AMERICA RADIO...TURN ON, TUNE IN, DROP A BRICK ON BUSH

 
 
dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 09:50 am
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dockers and regimental tie...remember those words when you wait my arrival in San Francico

Sorry to disappoint, I will be me usual self.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 10:13 am
Ed It Ed
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 10:13 am
Unsurprised and undisappointed (I am re-selfing)
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Tarantulas
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 12:04 pm
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April 06, 2004, 8:41 a.m.
Liberal Radio Talks, Nobody Listens
The real story about liberal radio is the size of its audience.

by Byron York

As the new liberal talk-radio network finishes its first week in operation, industry insiders say the most impressive thing about the effort is not its performance ?- that has gotten mixed-to-negative reviews ?- but the fact that the network, Air America, has received such extensive press coverage relative to the tiny size of its audience.

"It was off the charts in terms of how much ballyhoo and hoopla it generated, considering what it is," says Michael Harrison, the editor and publisher of Talkers magazine, which tracks the talk radio business. "It's a modest startup, and it was treated like some kind of revolution."

While it is not possible to measure the audience for a radio network that has just begun operations ?- radio ratings just don't work that way ?- it is possible to make some estimates about the size of that audience from information about the stations which carry Air America programming.

The management of Air America originally said the company would purchase a group of stations which would broadcast the liberal network, but, at least so far, that has not happened. Instead, Air America is heard on five stations: WLIB in New York, KBLA in Los Angeles, WNTD in Chicago, KPOJ in Portland, Oregon, and KCAA in Inland Empire, California. That means the network's programming is on the air in five of the 285 radio markets in the United States. It is also available on the Internet and on XM radio.

All the broadcast outlets are AM stations, and in the past all have been rated near the bottom in their respective markets. According to published ratings from Arbitron, the company that measures radio audiences, WLIB was ranked 25th (out of 38 stations measured) in the New York market in the last quarter. KBLA, which broadcast Spanish-language programming before switching to Air America, was ranked 38th (out of 51 stations measured) in Los Angeles. WNTD, which also broadcast in Spanish, was rated 36th (out of 43 stations measured) in Chicago. KPOJ was rated 25th (out of 28 stations measured) in Portland. And KCAA did not have ratings high enough to be measured.

In terms of actual numbers, Arbitron officials say the so-called "cume" rating, which refers to the cumulative number of listeners who tune in to a station each week, was 315,000 for WLIB in the fall of 2003. For KBLA, it was 201,000. For WNTD, it was 74,000. And for KPOJ, it was 41,000. Again, KCAA was too small to measure.

Each station was struggling before the switch ?- after all, it is unlikely a station that is doing really well would change its format. It is not clear whether the change will result in more or less listeners in the long run, but it seems reasonable to conclude that in the short run, each station will lose a portion of its old listenership.

For example, there is a growing controversy in New York over the new identity of WLIB. Some listeners who were loyal to the black-oriented message of the station ?- as well as its Caribbean-music programming ?- are angry at the ownership for leasing most of WLIB's broadcast day to the mostly-white Air America team. "Air America is in no way offering a satisfactory substitute for local community programming," one activist told the New York Daily News.

In Los Angeles and Chicago, listeners who tuned in to hear Spanish-language programming now hear politically oriented talk in English. It seems likely that both stations, along with WLIB, have lost at least some of the listeners who enjoyed the old programming, and it is not clear if that loss has been compensated by the addition of new listeners who want to hear Air America. (Another station, WMNN in Minneapolis, Minnesota, broadcasts the program of Air America's top talent, Minnesota native Al Franken, but does not carry the rest of the network's programming).

In any event, given the stations' performance in the past, plus the effect of the recent changes, it is unlikely that the entire nationwide listenership of Air America exceeds the number of people watching the local TV news on any given evening in a single large ?- or perhaps even medium-sized ?- television market. And that casts a new light on Franken's stated ambition to use his radio program to defeat President Bush in November.

"This show is about taking back our country," Franken said on the first day of his program, The O'Franken Factor. "It's about relentlessly hammering away at the Bush administration until they crack and crumble this November, because, don't get me wrong, friends, they are going down."

Given the size of the Air America audience ?- one radio expert called it "microscopic" ?- it seems reasonable to say that if the president indeed goes down, it won't be because of the new liberal talk radio network. After the intense media attention that surrounded Air America's debut fades away, the network will likely spend the rest of this year trying to build a tiny listenership into a small one, and then to go from there. In any event, it won't be shaking the world. "Everybody deals with it based on the premise that it is big, that is somehow has a chance to make an impact on the world on a level that is far beyond its physical ability," says Michael Harrison. "It's not a national audience."

National Review Online
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 12:13 pm
Fair enough.

I've never seen a single link cross-posted in so many threads here - mostly thanks to Blatham - but its basically still very much an incipient grassroots thing, in safely Democratic markets, isn't it?

I don't suppose I would be much into talk radio of any kind, so I'm sure i wouldn't suddenly become a fan just because the anger-fuelled comic rants happen to be politically agreeable this time, either. But I can see how politically, it might be a benefitial long-term trend. Counterpower and all that.

But unless AA manages to buy some major time on stations around the country (and especially in battleground states) pretty soon, its really not all that relevant on any short term, is it?

Unless it can keep on attracting such major national news coverage despite its rather small actual audience, of course ...

Which probably explains all the links. <sighs>
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 12:16 pm
I sincerely hope it is successful. As with any radio station, if I do not like what I hear, I am free to turn the dial. But, if others enjoy it, they should have the freedom to listen to what they want.

Now, in saying that, I am still going to make fun of it and degrade it and drag it through the mud because that's real fun!
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 12:25 pm
McGentrix
Hey, MeGentrix, where've you been the last few days? We've missed you.
Were you so grossed out by Al Franken that you had to take a respite?

BBB :wink:
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 06:43 pm
Franken is quoted as saying:
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"This show is about taking back our country," Franken said on the first day of his program, The O'Franken Factor. "It's about relentlessly hammering away at the Bush administration until they crack and crumble this November, because, don't get me wrong, friends, they are going down."


I'm hoping the program makes it too if for no other reason than to provide some entertainment. But Franken in his own words says what I feared in previous posts: if it is purely a program to bash the sitting president, it will get praises from the left wing but not enough listeners to be profitable.

O'Reilly, Limbaugh, et al have done nicely no matter who was in the White House because they talk about a whole lot of stuff pro and con whomever is there. I never heard either say the purpose of their show was 'to take back our country' during the Clinton administration or that they had the power to make his administration crumble.

Nevertheless Franken can be pretty good and I wish him well.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 09:37 pm
Of course, we don't know what the online audience might be, which is the way most folks have to listen to it at this point.

It is pretty clear that the folks with the microphones there are very interested in seeing the Bush administration fail. But not because it is conservative, and not even because it is Republican. Rather, they would say, because it is extremist and more quite possibly more deceitful than even the Nixon administration.

and fox...your claim that Limbaugh wasn't investing every second heartbeat on getting Clinton out of office isn't historically accurate.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 09:52 pm
Well I think it is correct because his program covers such a wide scope of social issues and Clinton was only one issue of many. I only have time to listen in on any of them once in awhile, but I do listen.

The reason Limbaugh has been so highly successful is 1) he reflects the opinion of 20+ million listeners who just hadn't been hearing their point of view spoken anywhere else and 2) he is so widely diverse and does have real information about things so he is interesting.

If Limbaugh had the power the left has assigned to him, Clinton never would have been elected president, but Clinton was only one issue of many many you hear on Rush's show every day.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 05:10 am
foxie

When we do our exercise on media, let's also compare a transcript from Rush and one from Franken, say ten minutes just chosen arbitrarily.

Then let's set them against the criteria of 'are claims factual?' and 'instances of logical fallacy'. Wanna?
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 05:22 am
ps...whether or not Rush's show actually reflects the views/beliefs/values of 20+ million would be hard to establish as factual.

But let's acknowledge a marketing principle in this too. Very often a product arrives in the marketplace without any significant pre-existing demand for it. The demand comes later, encouraged or created by a marketing campaign. Perhaps a good example of this is FDS (feminine deoderant spray).

Thus because 20+ million people now listen to Rush doesn't necessarily mean they were previously sitting out there thinking those same thoughts. Consensus, like demand, can be created.

And of course, consensus doesn't tell us anything about truth, merely about agreement.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 02:30 pm
New York - "Radio Pinko," the New York flagship station of the Humorless Liberal Radio Network (HLRN) signed on the air today for the first time. The leftist network, the brainchild of Al Franken who is hot off his stunning success as a movie actor in the Stuart Smalley direct-to-video franchise, is an attempt to counter the influence of conservative talk show hosts Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and others.

The network will feature leftist agitprop and disinformation, Hootie and the Blowfish songs, Ben & Jerry's commercials and lame attempts at humor in the style of the sketches Franken used to write for Saturday Night Live that always seemed to go on for ten minutes too long.

"It's going to be an exciting time for humorless liberals," said Franken to an early morning press conference. "We're gonna rock you off your Birkenstocks."

Although subject to change, the following programs are slated for the HLRN's weekday lineup:

6-10am - Grumpy with Garofalo Gen-X unfunny girl Janeane Garofalo whines and complains about George Bush and former boyfriend Ben Stiller during morning drive time

10-11am- Local Leftist Programming

11-12noon - Secular Humanism Hour with the Right Reverend Rowan Williams The Archbishop of Canterbury awakens your inner spiritual child by apologizing for Muslim terrorists and denying the major tenets of Christianity. Sponsored by the Bin Laden Construction Company

Noon-3pm - Al Franken Is a Big Fat No-Talent Going against the Rush Limbaugh juggernaut, every day for three hours Al Franken will show you why Bill Murray was the last funny person to appear on Saturday Night Live

3-4pm - Simulcast of Radio Havana's News Hour

4-7pm - Hanoi Jane's Funhouse Evening drive time gets a little pinker with America's best looking traitor

7-10pm - Rantin' and Ravin' with Howard Dean Socialism's answer to Morton Downey, Jr. lights up the evening airwaves

10-Midnight - Minority Remix with Jesse Jackson Features an eclectic mix of Marcus Garvey, Marvin Gaye and Malcolm X

Midnight-6am - Clinton After Dark Go bar (and bed) hopping with the former President of the United States as he trolls for chicks with former members of his administration.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 02:38 pm
Like I said -- Conservative Humor is an oxymoron.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 02:41 pm
There's a Pulitzer nomination.
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Tarantulas
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 01:43 pm
I dredged up the old thread from page three instead of making a new one. I'll take my thanks in small bills, please. Very Happy

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After just two weeks on the air, Air America Radio, the fledgling liberal talk-radio network featuring Al Franken and Janeane Garofalo, appears to have encountered serious cash-flow problems.

The CHICAGO TRIBUNE is developing a story, insiders tell DRUDGE, on how the network was pulled off the air this morning in Chicago and Los Angeles, the network's second- and third-largest markets, because, the owner of both stations said, the network bounced a check and owes him more than $1 million! A charge the network strongly denies...

A Chicago source familiar with the situation said a Multicultural representative showed up at WNTD's offices Wednesday morning, kicked out Air America's lone staffer overseeing the network's feed to the station from New York, switched over to a Spanish-language feed, and changed the locks on the doors...

Air America filed a complaint Wednesday in New York state Supreme Court charging Multicultural with breaching their contract and seeking an injunction to force Multicultural to restore the Air America broadcast on both stations, the TRIBUNE has learned... Developing...

Drudge Report top of the page
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 01:47 pm
It is a good experiment in futility...
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kickycan
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 01:54 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
O'Reilly, Limbaugh, et al have done nicely no matter who was in the White House because they talk about a whole lot of stuff pro and con whomever is there. I never heard either say the purpose of their show was 'to take back our country' during the Clinton administration or that they had the power to make his administration crumble.


Just for the record, I used to listen to Limbaugh all the time, and when Clinton was in office he used to start his show with the line "Day #__: America Held Hostage" And I have heard him say that he was leading the charge to take back the country, in those exact words.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 02:02 pm
I will confirm that he indeed did do that. But never did he ever say that was the purpose of his show. And it never became the purpose of his show. That's the difference.

Limbaugh bashed Clinton every chance he got. I got tired of it. But Limbaugh had enough other stuff that was well researched and did give a new way to look at something that he was interesting or at least entertaining a lot of the time.

Even a clock that is stopped is right......
Well, you know how it goes.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 02:02 pm
I don't listen to limbaugh because he is an idiot who gives the right a bad name.
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