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The American Government Has Gone Rogue

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 06:05 am
@rosborne979,
Quote:
They need to make better "smoke" bombs that don't start fires when they are used. Also, can't they put some type of sleeping gas in the smoke bomb? There must be a better way of getting a lone nutcase out of a cabin without risking cops lives or spending millions on missile guided weaponry.


Sorry setting fires is just what the police at times wished to do as in the Dorner case and when I saw that they had him corner in a wooden building I knew at once that it would be set on fire.

Lot of other examples of heavily armed standoffs over the decades where the tear gas just happen to set the buildings on fired.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 07:04 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Sorry setting fires is just what the police at times wished to do as in the Dorner case and when I saw that they had him corner in a wooden building I knew at once that it would be set on fire.


How might this be different than Nazi Germany or any totalitarian state? You reveal much about your own depravity, Bill.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 07:12 am
@rosborne979,
They used pyrotechnic tear gas grenades known as 'burners'.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 07:14 am
@H2O MAN,
Pure evil and surprise surprise, you fit right in, peeman.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 07:47 am
@JTT,

Peeing on this type of grenade will not help you, you're still going down, JTT.

... they should have used flash bangs, but it's clear they wanted a big fire.
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aspvenom
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 08:01 am
@H2O MAN,
Judging by the fire, there were other accelerants in play besides the tear gas. The fire is similar to that incident at Waco
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 08:03 am
@aspvenom,

Probably, but no tanks were there to push the walls down.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 08:13 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Probably, but no tanks were there to push the walls down.


Wrong I hear that they did used some kind of armor vehicle to push the cabin walls over.
engineer
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 08:14 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

I see you have a deep and abiding respect for the rule of law, E.

Just conducting a thought experiment here. What's the fundamental moral or legal difference between using a drone and some other technique? Your inputs would be interesting since you tend to look at things through a different lens than most. What do you think? Persude me. Is there a legal requirement to try to take this guy alive? How about a moral one? How does it change if he is holed up and contained versus shooting up a neighborhood while in a running battle with police? My mind is not made up so you have a rare A2K opportunity to actually shift someone's point of view. My initial thoughts are in the earlier post.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 08:23 am
@BillRM,

Nope, they set back and watched it burn, fall in on itself and burn out.

The terrain didn't allow for large mechanized hardware to get
close without felling some large trees and that didn't happen.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 08:27 am
@H2O MAN,
I posted this once already but do not see it so once more.

Quote:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/charred-remains-found-christopher-dorner-hideout-article-1.1262828

A SWAT team surrounded the cabin and used an armored vehicle to break out its windows, The Associated Press reported. The officers then pumped a gas into the cabin and blasted a message over a loudspeaker: “Surrender or come out.”
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The armored vehicle ripped down each of the cabin's four walls.

H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 08:31 am
@BillRM,
I'm choosing not to believe that.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 08:47 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
I'm choosing not to believe that.


Why?

I had not seen any statement from the police stating that they did not used an armor car or some such as being reported in the major newspapers.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 08:55 am
@BillRM,
There is no question about an armored car being on the scene and rolling up close to the building, but I see nothing that suggests it was used to push or
tear the walls of the cabin down.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 08:59 am
@H2O MAN,
Come on once more the reported behavior of their armor car or whatever in major newspapers had not be challenge to date by the police departments involved.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 09:05 am
@BillRM,
Probably an attempt to tie the event to what happened at WACO, but it's really not news worthy.

Was Janet Reno in the area?
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 09:13 am
@H2O MAN,
As I said if the law enforcement agencies involved at any level of government had any problem with the reporting they had not made that fact known as yet so I see no reason to question it until and if they do so.

Burning people out of shelters is hardly unknown by law enforcement with or without armor or in the one case by dropping a bomb from a helicopter.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 09:17 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

... dropping a bomb from a helicopter.



Philly?
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 09:19 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Philly?


YES
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 11:05 am
@rosborne979,
Sounds good, but I doubt the police will ever implement your ideas.
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