Who doesn't back gay marriage?

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I have very strong views that gay marriage should be allowed: even if there is many problems with the institution of marriage itself, I believe that the new law passed in Britain at least puts us on the road equality, even if in many circumstances it will be only superficial.

I witnessed some speeches on the day which I found extremely offensive. Not knowing anyone who holds such strong views against gay marriage as some MP's, including, unfortunately the MP for my home town, I was absolutely fascinated that such views could possibly exist!

So, I want to leave those liberal views behind on this thread and talk to some people who don't support the bill, or gay marriage in general. Not just people from the UK, but anywhere. What I want to know is: do you feel any injustice that you are often portrayed in the media as bigoted? Many MP's said it was a 'sad day' for them and their beliefs that marriage should be between a man and a woman. Do you feel any sadness for those people who are gay and wish to get married? Do you feel 'sympathetic' for them, or do you feel that they are doing something wrong and that they should recognise this and repent? Do you believe that gay love could be as 'pure' as your own love, or is it a poor imitation of heterosexual love? Do you think that you have had it easy because you happened to be heterosexual and you found someone you loved who wished to get married? Or do you congratulate yourself for not being tempted by homosexuality and feel you deserve an accordingly higher moral status? Are you grateful that you are not gay? What do you think about the millions of heterosexual people who agree that gay people should be allowed to marry?

I'd also ask everyone else with a liberal mindset to try not to lambast the people sharing their opinions. I feel the same way you do, but it would be nice if people felt they weren't going to get screamed at for their opinion on this thread.

Also can we stay off the topic of which marriages should be allowed in churches or religious buildings because I think that's a different issue.

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@The Pentacle Queen,

Demographics diced from recent polls in the US clearly show that this is a generational thing. A recent Madonna poll in Pa showed us that

FAVOR GAY MARRIAGE BY AGE GROUPS

Voters under 30, favor gay mrriage by a 85% margin

Voters 30 to 50, favor gay marriage by 56%

Voters 50 to 75, are against gay marriage by 65%

In 20 years , this wont even be an issue, so its social evolution in action

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@The Pentacle Queen,

I don't back gay marriage, but only because I think all marriage is obsolete. We should just do away with the whole institution.

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@The Pentacle Queen,

My only comment is that is that all marriage certificates should include a "Government Health Warning". Wink

(apologies for flippancy)

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no problem with it myself.

but should it be called marriage? marriage is defined as the joining of man and woman in holy matrimony (traditionally anyway), and seeing as matrimony has the same origins as matriarch, this would imply the intention to start a family. (i'm not getting into gay adoption here, just the meaning of marriage). perhaps for a male gay couple it could be "patrimony" or a "parriage".
not sure how you would name a lesbian union though.
it seems this is causing a lot of confusion over here (UK), whether it should be marriage, or a civil partnership, with the religious zealots saying no way to marriage, and the gltg community as saying they want marriage, equal rights.
either way, it's just a contract, and they will be (or should be at least) spending the rest of their lives together....who cares what its called?

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Actually, this is a rare moment of agreement with Fresco for me.

All marriage certificates should come with a government health warning.

Divorce has always been the source of problems for society...and for modern society it has become a huge problem.

Marriage is the leading cause of divorce.

I also apologize for the flippancy, but I excuse it because I am in substantial agreement with Farmerman also. In a generation or two...this will be thought of as a non-problem.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Marriage is the leading cause of divorce.

brilliant!

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@Frank Apisa,

No apologies needed Sir Frank. Smile

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@fresco,

That begs the issue. The obsolescence of the institution of marriage is not the issue of the OP. Homosexual couples deserve the same rights of having a union that is sanctioned and recognized by the powers-that-be.

If I had a 'straight' child who wanted to get married, I'd offer the same persuasive argument about not getting married as I would if my child were gay.

However, if my child were convinced to go ahead and marry and he or she were gay, I'd hope they were able to do so and not blocked by the State.

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@The Pentacle Queen,

Hi Queenie--

I suppose if a ridiculous, unaesthetic washing line (picture it in a row of suburban back gardens), and taking turns changing the oil in the car or clearing a blocked drain, and everybody responding in odd ways; all the ******* liberals on pins pretending it's all all perfectly normal sort of thing, and lowering a pair of off-white cotton stretch underpants with satin Y-front selvage,(slightly foxed), with aplomb and dignity, with Elton John recordings discreetly tinkling an appropriate accompaniment, it is possibly a reasonable alternative to tackling a lady of notoriety and estimable personal characteristics on a long term residential basis. On the whole.

Two blokes wages probably comes in handy too I should have thought.

The homosexuals on Clapham Commom would laugh I imagine. George Melly would have.

Of course, I can't speak for the ladies. I imagine it is quite good fun.

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do you feel any injustice that you are often portrayed in the media as bigoted?

No. I don't trust people who call others bigots.

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Do you feel any sadness for those people who are gay and wish to get married?

No. I think they are up to something else.

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do you feel that they are doing something wrong and that they should recognise this and repent?

Yes. I'm not prepared to pretend they are not up to something else.

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Do you believe that gay love could be as 'pure' as your own love....

No. There's an element of pity in a man's love for women. How can a man pity another man? And knowing what another man wants is a real turn off.

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What do you think about the millions of heterosexual people who agree that gay people should be allowed to marry?

That they have been led up the garden path by Media which, I presume, has a higher concentration of homosexuals than The Queen's Hotel in Morecambe. And that they don't really care all that much what with marriage having been degraded by the ******* liberals who preceded this lot.

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Or do you congratulate yourself for not being tempted by homosexuality and feel you deserve an accordingly higher moral status?

Not in the least. During my formatives the matter never entered my head. When they were done and dusted I was long gone (see Pavlov). I was well conditioned to accept the punishment in return for feminine delights such as not remembering whether the gas was turned off when 40 miles up the motorway.

What does it all say about ladies?

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@Berty McJock,

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not sure how you would name a lesbian union though

Flappage?

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@spendius,

I bet they wouldn't want to get married if "until death us do part" was mandatory. It's those who take that seriously who are opposed to these foolish proposals.

And what can anybody say about those who don't take it seriously? Nothing really except that maybe they are playing in some charade for some transient reason.

I'm up for Huxley's solution in BNW. Spinning through banks of photos to choose tonight's squeeze.

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@spendius,

flappage! lmao

good one.

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@Berty McJock,

When we make statements like "marriage is the leading cause of divorce" we are merely describing a pattern but not explaining it. This is why I never make the "descriptive" utterance that birth is the leading (i.e., necessary but not sufficient) cause of death.

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@JLNobody,

sorry i thought it was meant as a joke...i still do

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@Berty McJock,

BINGO!

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I imagine that life would be much worse if we did not have some form of heterosexual marriage. Marriage, like some kind of funeral practices is observed by anthropologists to be one of our universally distributed institutions: not every individual marries, but all societies have marriage practices of some sort.
I also think that despite its limitations of marriage homosexuals would, for the most part, be better off if they had legally sanctioned and stable marriage relations. Indeed, I enjoy friendship with two successfully married gay couples.

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@JLNobody,

But birth is the cause of death in every case. Whether that fact causes anybody to change in any way is another matter.

I suppose that most cancer victims have had milk in infancy. Or been to school.

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@spendius,

it was probably the milk, or school, or even birth that caused the cancer...

apparently EVERYTHING is a f@#king cancer risk these days...marriage too i dare say...gay or otherwise Razz

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@JLNobody,

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but all societies have marriage practices of some sort.

That isn't true; the Mosuo culture for example has no marriage practices.

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