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@raprap,

raprap wrote:

So David, being held legally responsible for mishandling a deadly object
is a acceptable if that deadly object is a firearm?

Rap

Yes, the same as non-firearms.

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@parados,

This sort of thing has happened by police, bailiffs, etc., in public,
sometimes on the news, more than a few times,
especially those who use automatics.

I don t favor automatics.

David

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Car Burglar Shot Dead By Homeowner,
Second Suspect Flees In West Palm Beach

Story by Michael Buczyner / CBS 12 NEWS

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - CBS 12 obtained this surveillance video
of two men believed to be involved in multiple car break-ins early
Tuesday morning along Arlington Road in West Palm Beach.

But these men targeted the wrong car.

Moments after surveillance video captured these suspected burglary
suspects in the neighborhood, police say a homeowner came outside
and shot one of the suspects allegedly trying to break into a car.

Police say when they arrived, 31-year-old Aaron F. Bayliss was dead.

A spokesman with West Palm Beach police told CBS 12 over the phone
Tuesday that someone broke into 7 or 8 vehicles parked along Arlington Road.

Police won't confirm if the dead man and this accomplice are responsible
although police say all of the break-ins have the same characteristics.
[All emfasis has been added by David.]

This happened a few miles from where I live.
Its good to get the bad guy out of the way.

What are the chances that we 'll hear from Al Sharpton on this ?

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@OmSigDAVID,

So David--then why didn't the State of Indiana or the County of Barthomeau charge this less than capable legal firearm carrier with mishandling a potentially deadly device.

They would have charged this bonehead if he had backed over the woman and her baby in the parking lot.

Sounds like the State of Indiana is harboring a double standard when it comes to firearms huh?

Rap

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@raprap,

raprap wrote:

So David--then why didn't the State of Indiana or the County of Barthomeau
charge this less than capable legal firearm carrier with mishandling
a potentially deadly device.

This is in reference to the fellow who dropped a gun?
I imagine that thay did not believe that he acted criminally.
Presumably, if he had cocked some guns and dropped some
of them while juggling them, if injury resulted, most likely
thay 'd have charged him with criminal negligence.

raprap wrote:

They would have charged this bonehead if he had backed over
the woman and her baby in the parking lot.

That is un-certain.
I prefer not to predict human behavior.

raprap wrote:

Sounds like the State of Indiana is harboring a double standard
when it comes to firearms huh? Rap

No. Thay saw no criminal negligence.
As I said b4, she can sue if she believes that her injury resulted from negligence.

The local government apparently see it as being the same
as if he 'd accidentally dropped a hammer or a knife.

That seems OK to me. Don t single out guns.

David

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Around 7:00 a.m. a burglar broke into a home inhabited by several
college students in Philadelphia, Pa. The intruder got into a struggle
with one of the residents, at which point another of the home’s
inhabitants retrieved a gun and shot the criminal. Upon being shot,
the home invader fled the house, but collapsed nearby. The burglar
was taken to a hospital where he is reported to be in stable condition.
(NBC Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pa. 06/04/14, WPVI, Philadelphia, Pa. 06/04/14)

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GUNS SAVE LIVES
We Love Guns.
You Should Too.

Why I Carry:
Suspect Beat Woman to Death
(Possibly With Hammer) and Stole Her Car

JUNE 6 2014
BY DAN CANNON

While most of the stories we post here involve lawful use of firearms
in self defense by law abiding gun owners, sometimes we need to look
at stories that did not result in a defensive gun use in order to
remember why we carry.

According to media reports, Howard E. Dibbern is charged with first
degree murder after beating an Island Lake, IL woman to death and stealing her car.

The suspect then crashed the car into a home after being pursued
by officers and had to be tazed in order to be taken into custody.

According to The Daily Herald,

Mundelein Police Chief Eric Guenther said as officers approached the car,
the driver used a knife and hammer to inflict injuries to his arm,
head and abdomen until officers used a Taser on the man to stop him.

No other vehicles were involved in the crash, and the residents of the
Diamond Lake Road home were not there at the time, he said.
Only the driver was injured.

Police have not stated if the hammer found in Dibbern’s possession
was the murder weapon, but it does sound like a definite possibility.

According to MySuburbanLife.com, this isn’t Dibbern’s first run in
with the law, Dibbern is on parole after serving three years in the
Department of Corrections on a weapons charge out of Cook County.
He was released April 24, according to prison records.

His history of incarceration dates back to 1997, when he was
sentenced to five years on a forgery charge out of McHenry County.
Other felony convictions include those for theft, residential burglary
and aggravated domestic battery.

In 2002, Dibbern was charged with misdemeanor domestic battery,
for which – according to McHenry County court records – he stabbed
his girlfriend with a knife, choked her and punched her in the stomach.
In that case, he also stole the woman’s car and was charged with theft.
The domestic battery charge eventually was dropped, and he was
sentenced to 30 months in prison on the theft charge.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

ny of these hardware stores or places like Cqbelas or Bass pro have these gun sales counters
and Im always worried about some douche bag creating havoc like these above examples.

Unfortunately, the 2nd Amendment doesn't require intelligence
or competence or interests for safety, it only requires you to be a paying customer. Sorta like an addict.

The 2nd Amendment protects EQUAL RIGHTS for all,
by simply divesting government of any jurisdiction over guns,
the same way that it has no jurisdiction over Bibles or over the NY Times.
Freedom to defend their lives is NOT limited to Members of Mensa.

In Japan, thay had Samurai, who had a monopoly of personal weapons possession.

In America, ALL CITIZENS share an EQUAL RIGHT to defensive personal weapons.

The farmer hates that.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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The 2nd Amendment protects EQUAL RIGHTS for all

no it doesn't. Youre fucked in the head if you think so.

I own and use guns so your own assertions regarding me are bullshit. I hunt and, in my assignments that take me into unpopulated areas, I carry. However, I see no need for everyone to be armed . An armed society is definitely NOT a polite one as you assert. Look at us. We live in a nation of gun nuts wielders and criminals. We murder each other at a rate that rivals the '...Stans.

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@farmerman,

DAVID wrote:

The 2nd Amendment protects EQUAL RIGHTS for all

farmerman wrote:

no it doesn't. Youre fucked in the head if you think so.

The 2A simply divests government of any jurisdiction in that realm.
The Founders did not include exceptions. Point out which part of
the amendment screws anyone out of his defensive rights.
I challenge u to DO that, Professor Farmer.
Read us the words of exclusion, of discrimination. Show us.

(This is not to deny that lunatics and criminals can legally
be ISOLATED, preferably not on this Continent.)

farmerman wrote:

I own and use guns so your own assertions regarding me are bullshit.
I hunt and, in my assignments that take me into unpopulated areas, I carry.
However, I see no need for everyone to be armed.

I understand that. U are out for your OWN rights
and u wanna **** your fellow citizens out of THEIR rights of self defense, as long as YOU are OK.

If Kitty Genovese or if Reginald Denny (both un-armed) get killed,
its no skin off your back. Thay made the error of obaying gun discrimination laws.

Long ago, the USSC said that because of Constitutional requirements
of EQUAL PROTECTION of the laws, a government cud NOT
discriminate in regard to a few minutes of seating on a public bus.
A fortiori, if so trivial a matter as a few minutes of seating on a bus,
is Constitutionally protected against discrimination, then
the right to defend your own life from predatory violence is Constitutionally protected.
That counts for a lot; the seat counts for little, relative to getting killed for being un-armed.

farmerman wrote:

An armed society is definitely NOT a polite one as you assert. Look at us.

Look at the Samurai. Were thay polite?????

The farmer is obsessed with establishing a MONOPOLY of POWER in evil predators,
by disarming their victims, beforehand.

farmerman wrote:

We live in a nation of gun nuts wielders and criminals.
We murder each other at a rate that rivals the '...Stans.

The problem is that NOT ENUF Americans exercise their rights to bear arms.
When a couple of highway robbers took a pot shot at me,
thay ASSUMED that I was un-armed, until my own gun
made its appearance on the scene, whereupon thay swiftly departed hence.

What does " '...Stans " mean ?

David

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@farmerman,

R u gonna tell us what " '...Stans " means ?

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Deputies are investigating an apparent accidental shooting that left a 22-year-old Bradenton man dead.

According to the Manatee County Sheriff's Office, roommates Kyle Guessford and Austin Brunson were in their home on the 2700 block of 50th Avenue W with two guests around 8:30 p.m. Saturday.

Deputies said Guessford, 22, was checking out several accessories that he had just purchased for his pistol when he walked from his room to the living room, switched the weapon-mounted flashlight on and the gun discharged.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2014/6/8/bradenton_man_22_kil.html

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COTTONWOOD HEIGHTS, Utah — Friends and classmates are talking about an accidental shooting that left one Brighton High School student dead and two others in juvenile detention, facing potential charges.

Friends say 17-year-old Harley Jarrett just wrapped up his junior year. On Wednesday, the last day of school, Jarrett went to celebrate with friends but when a gun was introduced, it took his life and altered many others.

“He had a great soul. He tried to help everyone. I still just can’t believe he’s gone,” said Amanda Smith, who knew the victim.

“He wasn’t angry, he had a lot of love, a lot of love,” said Ryan Corona, a family friend.

Jarrett joined four other teens Wednesday night at a home near 6800 South Pine Rock Drive. Police said parents were upstairs on the main floor while the group of five teens was in the basement.

“It would appear the guys went into a closet to handle or look at a firearm, pulled the trigger, it went off and struck one of the individuals in the head and killed him,” said Lt. Mark Askerlund with the Cottonwood Heights Police Department.

http://fox13now.com/2014/06/05/community-mourns-teen-killed-in-accidental-shooting-as-2-juveniles-remain-in-custody/

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A man accidentally shot and killed himself while driving Wednesday afternoon down a Tennessee highway, Chattanooga TV station WTVC reported.

James Anthony McKenzie, 49, shot himself in the thigh with a .45 caliber handgun as he drove, Meigs County Detective Scott Wiggins said. A call came in for deputies to respond to a seizure, he said, but when they arrived McKenzie had apparently bled to death from the wound in his thigh.

The man was in the car alone, according to WTVC, and deputies were trying to determine how the gun discharged. McKenzie held a valid permit for the firearm.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tennessee-man-driving-accidentally-shoots-kills-self

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An Erie man accidentally shot himself in the left thigh Thursday while mishandling a .22 caliber handgun at his residence.

State police were contacted after the 26-year-old victim, whose name was not released, arrived at UPMC Hamot with the gunshot wound. The victim originally told authorities he was shot while at the State Game Lands shooting range, 10600 Sampson Road, police said.

He later said he was shot at his residence near the intersection of East 32nd Street and Pine Avenue.

http://www.goerie.com/article/20140609/NEWS02/306099930/Erie-man-shoots-self-in-thigh

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HUBER HEIGHTS —

Mae Worthy, whose husband accidentally shot her Wednesday night, died at 9:38 a.m. Friday at Miami Valley Hospital, according to Huber Heights police.

James Worthy, her husband of 50 years, was handling a gun in a bedroom and accidentally fired a shot that struck the 69-year-old woman, who was in another room of their home in 6300 block Rolling Glen Drive, police said.

"It went through the bedroom wall, down into the opposite end of the house and it just happened to strike her while she was sitting on the couch," Huber Heights police Lt. Matt Dulaney said Thursday. "The evidence is in line with his story as to what he's telling us... . (
- See more at: http://www.whio.com/news/news/crime-law/woman-shot-head-huber-heights-police-investigate/nf82w/#sthash.xlcpT32j.dpuf

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@parados,

parados wrote:

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Deputies are investigating an apparent accidental shooting that left a 22-year-old Bradenton man dead.

According to the Manatee County Sheriff's Office, roommates Kyle Guessford and Austin Brunson were in their home on the 2700 block of 50th Avenue W with two guests around 8:30 p.m. Saturday.

Deputies said Guessford, 22, was checking out several accessories that he had just purchased for his pistol when he walked from his room to the living room, switched the weapon-mounted flashlight on and the gun discharged.

I don't have flashlights on my guns.

David

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In January, Downtrend covered the case of a 90-year-old Ohio business
owner who successfully defended his business against a burglar.
That young man learned a much-needed lesson on why the Second Amendment
protects even the most vulnerable citizens from criminals.
Now, another Ohio man attempted to rob a seemingly helpless
old couple – and this one brought a knife to a gun fight.

According to WLWT, Robert Kelly Jr. attempted to rob 92-year-old Hugh Mathis,
a WWII veteran, and his wife, 89-year-old Ruby Mathis. Kelly had done odd jobs
at their home in the past and managed to talk his way into their home.

The burglar, who lives in the Mathis’ neighborhood, allegedly pulled a knife on Hugh.

“Give me your money,” he allegedly said, but Hugh didn’t budge.

“You go to hell!” he reportedly replied.

That’s when Ruby noticed what was happening and instead of
cowering in fear, she ran to the bedroom and grabbed a gun.

As occurs in just about every other case in which armed homeowners
defend their property, Kelly fled and it’s a good thing he did.
If he didn’t end up getting shot, he would have at least gotten a few lumps.

“He ran out the door,” Hugh explained to WLWT. “I was getting up
to get a club and then I was going to work him over real good.”

Now, Kelly is a guest in the slammer and will probably remain there
for a while with his $1.5 million bail. Perhaps that’s not how he
envisioned his actions would turn out.

Hugh and Ruby Mathis could have easily been robbed and/or wounded
or killed by Kelly if they didn’t have a firearm, but just like that,
this seemingly helpless couple leveled the playing field and then some.

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MIAMI — Police say one teen is dead and another faces manslaughter charges after a gun they were playing with fired.

The incident took place Wednesday night in Miami's Little Havana neighborhood.

The Miami Herald (http://hrld.us/1oWjhPE ) reports that 16-year-old William Pagan died in his bedroom after being shot in the chest. His friend ran away and police caught up with him about a half hour later.

Read more here: http://www.bradenton.com/2014/06/13/5203691/teen-dead-friend-arrested-in-accidental.html#storylink=cpy

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KINGSFORD -- A Kingsford man has been arraigned after an accidental gun shot injured a woman who was near him.

Authorities say 64-year-old Jack Strong shot a pistol at a bag of cans near a woman. She was hit by bullet shrapnel.

Strong is charged with assault with a dangerous weapon, careless discharge causing injury or death and possession of a firearm under the influence.

http://www.uppermichiganssource.com/news/story.aspx?id=1057408#.U5r-7viP92U

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