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New Study Says that Smoking Till 44 Costs ONLY 1 Year of Life!

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2013 12:38 pm
Yaknow, it's not just the length of life, it's also the quality. There's no question that smoking for long periods degrades your body's ability to function correctly; and the cost really adds up as well.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2013 12:57 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
It's called addiction. Many don't have enough self-control to quit.
It took me three times before I quit smoking cigarettes in my early thirties. I now smoke Cuban cigars. They don't smell up the place, and they're not addictive.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2013 01:21 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Yaknow, it's not just the length of life, it's also the quality. There's no question that smoking for long periods degrades your body's ability to function correctly; and the cost really adds up as well.

Cycloptichorn

I am betting that smokers make all of that up and more by being thinner.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2013 01:23 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Yaknow, it's not just the length of life, it's also the quality. There's no question that smoking for long periods degrades your body's ability to function correctly; and the cost really adds up as well.

Cycloptichorn

I am betting that smokers make all of that up and more by being thinner.


Totally incorrect - I, for example, am as thin now as I was when I smoked a pack a day, and there's no question that I'm in better health. I do a lot of cycling and there's just no way I'd be able to go up hills if I was still a smoker.

It certainly hasn't been my experience that chronic smokers tend to be thin; I certainly see plenty of fat-asses smoking ciggies all day.

Cycloptichorn
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2013 01:32 pm
@hawkeye10,

some smokers are thin because they don't have the same appetite they used to have before they started smoking.

not eating properly is probably just as bad for you as smoking.

combine the two, and you are really asking for trouble...
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2013 01:35 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I don't have the time at the moment to find links, but science shows that smokers have a lower body mass, which is a good thing the health pros say when the population is in general massively over weight.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2013 01:37 pm
@hawkeye10,
This is kinda like saying, "I lose a nickle on each widget I sell, but I make it up in volume!"

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2013 01:40 pm
@hawkeye10,
US obesity rate is high compared to other countries, but most in the US are blacks and Hispanics. They need to be taught healthy diets early in their lives, but especially from their parents.

From Nationmaster.com.
Quote:
Showing latest available data. Rank Countries Amount
# 1 United States: 30.6%
Health in United States

# 2 Mexico: 24.2%
Health in Mexico

# 3 United Kingdom: 23%
Health in United Kingdom

# 4 Slovakia: 22.4%
Health in Slovakia

# 5 Greece: 21.9%
Health in Greece

# 6 Australia: 21.7%
Health in Australia

# 7 New Zealand: 20.9%
Health in New Zealand

# 8 Hungary: 18.8%
Health in Hungary

# 9 Luxembourg: 18.4%
Health in Luxembourg

# 10 Czech Republic: 14.8%
Health in Czech Republic

# 11 Canada: 14.3
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2013 01:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
From cdc.gov.
Quote:
Overview

Smoking harms nearly every organ of the body. Smoking causes many diseases and reduces the health of smokers in general.1

Smoking and Death

Smoking causes death.
•The adverse health effects from cigarette smoking account for an estimated 443,000 deaths, or nearly one of every five deaths, each year in the United States.2,3
•More deaths are caused each year by tobacco use than by all deaths from human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), illegal drug use, alcohol use, motor vehicle injuries, suicides, and murders combined.2,4
•Smoking causes an estimated 90% of all lung cancer deaths in men and 80% of all lung cancer deaths in women.1
•An estimated 90% of all deaths from chronic obstructive lung disease are caused by smoking.1

Smoking and Increased Health Risks

Compared with nonsmokers, smoking is estimated to increase the risk of—
•coronary heart disease by 2 to 4 times,1,5
•stroke by 2 to 4 times,1,6
•men developing lung cancer by 23 times,1
•women developing lung cancer by 13 times,1 and
•dying from chronic obstructive lung diseases (such as chronic bronchitis and emphysema) by 12 to 13 times.1

Smoking and Cardiovascular Disease
•Smoking causes coronary heart disease, the leading cause of death in the United States.1
•Cigarette smoking causes reduced circulation by narrowing the blood vessels (arteries) and puts smokers at risk of developing peripheral vascular disease (i.e., obstruction of the large arteries in the arms and legs that can cause a range of problems from pain to tissue loss or gangrene).1,7
•Smoking causes abdominal aortic aneurysm (i.e., a swelling or weakening of the main artery of the body—the aorta—where it runs through the abdomen).1

Smoking and Respiratory Disease
•Smoking causes lung cancer.1,2
•Smoking causes lung diseases (e.g., emphysema, bronchitis, chronic airway obstruction) by damaging the airways and alveoli (i.e., small air sacs) of the lungs.1,2

Smoking and Cancer

Smoking causes the following cancers:1
•Acute myeloid leukemia
•Bladder cancer
•Cancer of the cervix
•Cancer of the esophagus
•Kidney cancer
•Cancer of the larynx (voice box)
•Lung cancer
•Cancer of the oral cavity (mouth)
•Pancreatic cancer
•Cancer of the pharynx (throat)
•Stomach cancer

Smoking and Other Health Effects

Smoking has many adverse reproductive and early childhood effects, including increased risk for—
•infertility,
•preterm delivery,
•stillbirth,
•low birth weight, and
•sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS).1,8


Smoking is associated with the following adverse health effects:8
•Postmenopausal women who smoke have lower bone density than women who never smoked.
•Women who smoke have an increased risk for hip fracture than women who never smoked.

References
1.U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The Health Consequences of Smoking: A Report of the Surgeon General. Atlanta: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion, Office on Smoking and Health, 2004 [accessed 2012 Jan 10].
2.Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Annual Smoking-Attributable Mortality, Years of Potential Life Lost, and Productivity Losses—United States, 2000–2004. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report 2008;57(45):1226–8 [accessed 2012 Jan 10].
3.Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Health, United States. Hyattsville (MD): Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Center for Health Statistics. [accessed 2012 Jan 10].
4.Mokdad AH, Marks JS, Stroup DF, Gerberding JL. Actual Causes of Death in the United States. JAMA: Journal of the American Medical Association 2004;291(10):1238–45 [cited 2012 Jan 10].
5.U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Reducing the Health Consequences of Smoking: 25 Years of Progress. A Report of the Surgeon General. Rockville (MD): U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, Centers for Disease Control, National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion, Office on Smoking and Health, 1989 [accessed 2012 Jan 10].
6.Ockene IS, Miller NH. Cigarette Smoking, Cardiovascular Disease, and Stroke: A Statement for Healthcare Professionals from the American Heart Association. Circulation 1997;96(9):3243–7 [accessed 2012 Jan 10].
7.Institute of Medicine. Secondhand Smoke Exposure and Cardiovascular Effects: Making Sense of the Evidence. (PDF–747 KB) Washington: National Academy of Sciences, Institute of Medicine, 2009 [accessed 2012 Jan 10].
8.U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Women and Smoking: A Report of the Surgeon General. Rockville (MD): U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, Office of the Surgeon General, 2001 [accessed 2012 Jan 10].

For Further Information

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion
Office on Smoking and Health
E-mail: [email protected]
Phone: 1-800-CDC-INFO
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2013 02:08 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I think at this point we all agree that smoking reduces health, my point is that it is less than claimed and that going by the real facts rather than the "facts" presented by the smoker haters deciding to smoke might well be the reasonable rational decision.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2013 02:28 pm
@hawkeye10,
Whatever else is true it is obvious that the longer we live the larger the amount of money is spent on us and that this money goes to the those who minister unto our needs.

Money is also diverted to those industries which supply things which are allowed to be advertised in media.

I am of the opinion that a society which gives up smoking is doomed.

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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2013 02:38 pm
@DrewDad,
Quote:
How Smoking in Your 20′s and 30′s Can Lead to Erectile Dysfunction


That can save a man a great deal of pain, suffering and even agony.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2013 02:49 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

I think at this point we all agree that smoking reduces health, my point is that it is less than claimed and that going by the real facts rather than the "facts" presented by the smoker haters deciding to smoke might well be the reasonable rational decision.

Riiiiiiight...

Am I the only one who thinks this is hilarious coming from Chicken Little, himself?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2013 03:29 pm
@DrewDad,
I am sure it would be waayyyy too much to expect of you to lay off vilifying the messenger and to rather spend your time taking up the truth or non truth of the message...
engineer
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2013 03:31 pm
@hawkeye10,
Like many areas in life, you can pick and choose the facts you want to believe, but there are a lot of facts that point to smoking being bad for your health. I doubt that deciding to smoke for health reasons is a "rational decision". Going to a casino is not a rational decision either but people to it because they find it enjoyable. If that is why you choose to smoke, so be it but I wouldn't go off the deep end because one article computed an average number you like. There are a lot more studies out there with less favorable numbers.

Plus it makes you stink.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2013 03:41 pm
@engineer,
Living long is not the point in life, having the best mix of good and long is the smart way to go. How much is the pleasure that many report from smoking worth? It can be worth a year or two of life right? I drink more than the health minders want knowing full well that it will likely cost me a bit of time, but I enjoy it so much it is worth it. I look at my grandpa who lived for 94 years and those last few years he was looking forward to dying, he told me that 94 years is entirely too long.

Live hard and die young is my motto...I want to completely use up this body while having a great time, this body is going to end up the same way either way. These people who make every decision based upon which one will give them the longest life are some of the biggest fools around.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2013 03:47 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

I am sure it would be waayyyy too much to expect of you to lay off vilifying the messenger and to rather spend your time taking up the truth or non truth of the message...

If you'd stop being ridiculous, I'd stop ridiculing you.

This is just the latest in a looooong string of ridiculous propositions.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2013 03:59 pm
@engineer,
Quote:
Plus it makes you stink.


That helps keeping off non-smoking ladies.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2013 04:04 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
These people who make every decision based upon which one will give them the longest life are some of the biggest fools around.


As most of them will find out when they are connected up to medical machinery until all their equity is drained off.

"Men will beg God to kill them,
And they won't be able to die."

Bob Dylan. Precious Angel.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2013 04:06 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

I am sure it would be waayyyy too much to expect of you to lay off vilifying the messenger and to rather spend your time taking up the truth or non truth of the message...

If you'd stop being ridiculous, I'd stop ridiculing you.

This is just the latest in a looooong string of ridiculous propositions.

Doing something that you enjoy even if it likely will cost you some time one Earth is not rediculous, many many people have decided that this is the right thing for them to do.

You are avoiding the argument by slapping a trash lable on it, which is a tactic of the weak and the stupid. Do you have anything to add to this thread or not?
 

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