Why There Cannot Be Peace Between Israel and the Palestinians

@RST,

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I'm sorry, when do you consider squatters who are easily allowed gun licenses to shoot at and bully occupiers and just take their land considered innocent?

So if you consider someone a squatter you would feel free to target whole families for killing down to infants in their mother arms?

I can see why you can ID with middle east murderers/terrorists if so.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

That's possible.

But that would mean that JTT is capable of movement.
I don't buy it yet. Not that facile. Someone else.

I did notice a whole bunch of people came in at once. I remember being embarrassed about murmuring about that, in a food thread.
My antennae aren't relaxed.

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@ossobuco,

It's like JTT found a pal.

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@ossobuco,

I am wondering like others here if JTT and RST are one and the same.

Using the RST ID to get around the almost total ignore box he or she is in.

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@BillRM,

Squatters, go ahead, that's fine, but when squatters start to bully the occupants and just taking your property aggressively by kicking you out and not letting you, the occupier, reside there, you're saying you won't do anything about it.
Where is the application for sainthood? We have a saint here people.

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@ossobuco,

Makes sense.

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@BillRM,

If you're suggesting that I'm JTT's puppet, you're clearly mistaken, as you're with your take on this matter.

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@RST,

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You're saying you won't do anything about it.

Sorry I would not target and kill women and children and that does not take any kind of sainthood just a normal moral code that you seems to lack.

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@RST,

You're the sister?

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@BillRM,

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So if you consider someone a squatter you would feel free to target whole families for killing down to infants in their mother arms?

I have been trying to share this same empathic response with others but yet they are not able to respond in a way that I think is empathic but I was wondering if you were able to but I will not look down at you regardless if I did not think you are able to.
What would be your response if a bulldozer was to come to your house in the middle of the night because of what your brother or sister may have done which targeted whole families for killing down to infants in their mother arms?

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@BillRM,

Neither would I target and kill women and children. I suppose in war, women and children are open game, as seen so far in our bleak human history. They weren't ever spared the cruelty, ex: rape of nanking, etc. My position has always been that both the parties involved are not innocent on the matter. Israel is the instigator, however.
Let me be clear, I disagree with your position that Israel is innocent. Both are at fault here, and the solution here is for both these people to coexist, setting aside their differences. Either through a two state solution, which hasn't worked so far, or a one state solution.

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@RST,

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Let me be clear, I disagree with your position that Israel is innocent. Both are at fault here, and the solution here is for both these people to coexist, setting aside their differences. Either through a two state solution, which hasn't worked so far, or a one state solution.

I could be wrong but I think that you just shared an empirical truth and what may need to take place is a united nation response that is in the interest of both parties regardless if the parties disagree, I think that it is past time that we evolved past this issue.

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@reasoning logic,

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What would be your response if a bulldozer was to come to your house in the middle of the night because of what your brother or sister may have done which targeted whole families for killing down to infants in their mother arms?

I would be unhappy if due to a family member actions I would had lost my home however that would not change my mind that killing women and children at random is a far far far far greater wrong then bulldozing someone home even mine.

Nor would I then accept any funds from the assholes that had talked my brother/sister into doing those killings and if anyone was at risk of harm by me it would be the assholes/murderers who use a family member of mine as a tool to committed innocent murders.

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@BillRM,

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I would be unhappy if due to a family member actions I would had lost my home however that would not change my mind that killing women and children at random is a far far far far greater wrong then bulldozing someone home even mine.

Nor would I then accept any funds from the assholes that had talked my brother/sister into doing those killings and if anyone was at risk of harm by me it would be the assholes/murderers who use a family member of mine as a tool to committed innocent murders.

I find value in your response. Very Happy

I truly do but what if this bulldozer was a Japanese bulldozer that came into your community because an atomic bomb just took out many innocent woman and children from there country?

If it was your brother that flew the plane over them and for some reason they were able to shoot him down after the fact do you think that his wife and children should not take any compensation that the US was willing to offer them?

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@RST,

No one in this world either nation states or individuals are completely innocent however that fact does not justify the target killings of women and children going about their everyday lives.

Random blowing up of buses, places of worship, shopping malls or wedding parties and so on is not a means of waging war it is instead terrorist acts nor is shooting war rockets at random across the border with no clue or care where they might land.

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@BillRM,

Of course, extremists are detrimental to the Palestinian's populous interests.
Will you blame all of Palestine, for the few extremists using the "Palestinian cause" to cook up terror? The average Palestinians only seek a decent life, and the extremists terror strikes are not helping them in any positive way.
However, the actions of fanatic religious extremists doesn't justify that the average Palestinian populous be punished and treated as dirt, be crushed, and to be stripped away of any rights and freedom.

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@reasoning logic,

You mean in total war the bombing of a military target such as the city that happen to house the Japanese army headquarters and after the dropping of leaflets warning civilians in that city to leave?

Not the same and the US had been debating the moral issues around those two bombings for longer then I been alive.

Given that an invasion would had cost a million or so US lives including perhaps my father and far far far more Japanese lives in the cold equation of such a war it is a decision that I can see that can be defended.

Bombing a bus or a mall is not going to end a war or save more lives then it is going to take all it going to do is increase the hate on both sides and keep the killing going on.

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@BillRM,

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You mean in total war the bombing of a military target such as the city that happen to house the Japanese army headquarters and after the dropping of leaflets warning civilians in that city to leave?

That is cool, I was not aware of that but it may be true. How would you think that if your home where you live, the same was done to you? I know I would not expect everyone to think the same as me but would it be justifiable for them to take out my home? maybe you think this is just part of war and I agree but I may not agree with any of it but regardless I guess I should lose my home?

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@reasoning logic,

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If you can understand what I am sharing with you then should also understand the value in dropping the attacks on ignorant people.

Your message about "not engaging in name-calling" is good, but you should maybe give some thought to the notion that the people who disagree with you are the ones who really know what they're talking about.

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@RST,

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Boo hoo, you shouldn't have occupied the land and be bullies in the first place.

Your support for massacring civilians is charming.

Israel is the legitimate owner of the land. They have every right to do with it as they please.

It is hardly bullying to force the Palestinians to stop murdering people.

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