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Why There Cannot Be Peace Between Israel and the Palestinians

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2012 05:50 pm
@RST,
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What's actually outrageous is United States cutting funding to the U.N. education and science agency UNESCO


Why should the US directly or indirectly by way of the UN support a terrorist state?

A state where 6 percents or so of it yearly budget go to support the families of suicide bombers.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2012 05:55 pm
@BillRM,
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Why should the US directly or indirectly by way of the UN support a terrorist state?


Good point, Bill. The US doesn't want to be helping any state that might in the future bump it out of first place.

But you really shouldn't worry about that. The US has an iron grip on its position as the world's top terrorist nation. What other country could afford the numbers that the CIA employs?
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RST
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2012 05:57 pm
@reasoning logic,
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what harm is there in being kind to those that we disagree with?


No harm really.

But this is typically what happens.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

Beyond the limitations of text, people get fed up with all of the crap, and snap. In spite of popular belief that humans are nice creatures, I think it is contrary. We often harbor aggressive and transgressive feelings.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2012 06:09 pm
@BillRM,
U.S. Military Spending vs. The World

U.S. military spending – Dept. of Defense plus nuclear weapons (in $billions) – is equal to the military spending of the next 15 countries combined.

These numbers show military expenditures for each country. Some say that U.S. military spending will naturally be higher because it has the highest Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of any country. The United States accounts for 47 percent of the world’s total military spending, however the U.S.’s share of the world's GDP is about 21 percent. Also note that of the top 15 countries shown, at least 12 are considered allies of the U.S. The U.S. outspends Iran and North Korea by a ratio of 72 to one.

Source: Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation, http://old.armscontrolcenter.org/archives/002279.php; our graph uses a more comparable figure of $515 from actual 2006 U.S. military spending


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The US spends more than the top 15 countries on military, 12 of which are US allies and yet you silly goofs still get sucked in by the "national security"/big boogeyman line of bullshit.

Really, has there ever been such a gullible bunch of dupes?
RST
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2012 06:27 pm
@BillRM,
Forced regime change doesn't sound very democratic to me, wait, so who does that make the terrorists here?
Clearly your fat ass hasn't been woken up at gunpoint in the middle of the night just to be told his house is about to be bulldozed and that you don't even have time to gather any of your belongings. I hope you get terrorized one day, and then get labeled as the terrorist. Your comparison would be laughable if it wasn't so deranged.

By your logic, of course the United States would be opposed to this organization, because beginning with the Reagan administration, the United States has opposed education, science and all cultures other than Fundamentalist Judeo-Christian culture, and by not doing so, they're funding terrorists. See how fucked up it is.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2012 06:33 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
U.S. Military Spending


Yes, but think of all the wonderful weapons we get from all that.

We're close to fielding unmanned stealth bombers that can land on aircraft carriers, and hypersonic cruise missiles that will scream into enemy nations at Mach-6.

The next war is going to be cool. Cool
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2012 06:34 pm
@JTT,
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Really, has there ever been such a gullible bunch of dupes?

do you have a theory as to why fear works so well to manipulate the american masses?
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2012 06:38 pm
@RST,
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Clearly your fat ass hasn't been woken up at gunpoint in the middle of the night just to be told his house is about to be bulldozed and that you don't even have time to gather any of your belongings.


Have you?
RST
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2012 06:38 pm
If anyone is interested in a reasonably non-biased showings of parts of the world that few mainstream reporters would dare or be brave enough to provide a comprehensive narrative of the topic, this is a good video covering Gaza strip.

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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2012 06:46 pm
@hawkeye10,
Not a theory, Hawk, just a simple reality.

From the time you drop from the birth canal, you suffer a constant barrage of both "we are the greatest" along with, "there are a lot of [boogeymen] out there that want to end our greatness".

When the narrative can no longer support the boogeyman of the day [none of these narratives ever would to thinking people], another boogeyman is propped up with accompanying scary music and y'all sit transfixed and petrified.


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Is the new Red Dawn a blast from the past?
A remake of the 1984 film swaps Soviets for North Koreans. But really, it's all about America's fear of China

The fact that the 1984 cold war film Red Dawn has been remade is more than just another sign of Hollywood declining into pastiche and repetition. It shows that, in a moment of deep capitalist crisis, the Red Peril is back.

The original version depicted American kids engaging in guerrilla resistance against a Soviet invasion. The twist this time is that the invading army in the new Red Dawn was Chinese, but has been digitally changed in post-production to North Korean. The ostensible reason for this switch is that the film-makers didn't want to alienate the Chinese market. More likely it's because North Korea is an old-style, comfortable communist threat, distant from the US both ideologically and culturally, whereas 21st-century China is altogether too close to home.

The first Red Dawn was made at a time when Hollywood didn't stint in its use of Russian stereotypes. Cold war capitalist ideology construed the Soviets as different for two reasons – not only did they belong to another political-economic system, they didn't seem to possess the same emotions that "we" do. Sylvester Stallone's Rambo was tortured by pitiless Soviets, while, in another Stallone franchise, Rocky Balboa went toe-to-toe with Dolph Lundgren's granite-faced Ivan Drago: emotionless, ruthless and also a steroid-abusing cheat.

Now that we are used to globalisation it's hard to imagine a time when the countries behind the iron curtain were largely obscured from the western gaze. The Soviet bloc was a genuine mystery. Such was the dehumanisation of the Soviets that Sting could wonder in song if "the Russians love their children too". Even a sophisticated take on the cold war such as John le Carré's Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy, brilliantly adapted by the BBC in 1979, and disappointingly remade as a film by Tomas Alfredson last year, played on the supposed otherness of the Soviets. George Smiley's adversary, the KGB masterspy Karla, was both his double and a steely-eyed demonic fanatic, lacking the passions which characterise the "common humanity" for which Smiley claims to stand.

No ideology better understands the need for enemies than neoconservatism, and when the cold war dramatically and unexpectedly ended, the way was prepared for the "Arab threat" to emerge. True Lies, the 1994 James Cameron comedy thriller starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, duly served up the Arab villain Salim Abu Aziz. According to Jack Shaheen, an academic who has tirelessly exposed the use of Arab stereotypes in Hollywood, Aziz typified the depiction of Arabs in American cinema in that he was dangerous and incompetent.

So what to make of the new Red Dawn? The reality is that a Chinese invasion of sorts has already happened, but it didn't require any military force, and can't be resisted by brave American youth taking up weapons. Such is the level of American debt to China that it in effect owns the US economy. And so there is a double trauma conveyed in Red Dawn: one, China's economic eclipse of the US, and two, the way this deprives the US of an Other to fear. China in the 21st century is not the Other in the way that the Soviet Union was, or North Korea is. North Korea remains satisfyingly distant, both ideologically and culturally. China, meanwhile, although still officially communist, is also the world's leading capitalist power: the place where many leading-edge commodities are manufactured, and the country that many neoliberal ideologues are now insisting that the west must imitate. This, surely, is the raw nerve Red Dawn 2012's makers didn't want to touch.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/23/new-red-dawn-blast-from-past
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2012 06:48 pm
@mysteryman,
More of MM's famous honesty.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2012 06:55 pm
@hawkeye10,
And more.

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A dizzyingly implausible new 'Red Dawn'


By JAKE COYLE
The Associated Press
Published: Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 7:36 a.m.

The army invading the United States in "Red Dawn," an ill-advised remake of the campy 1984 original, was changed in post-production from Chinese to North Korean. With a few snips here, a few re-dubs there, the filmmakers re-edited and re-shot, fearful of offending China and its increasingly important movie-going market.

But why stop there? Can't we blithely make any nation our enemy for movie-sake? Let's try a version with Iran! And don't we have reason to be suspicious of Sweden? Do we REALLY know what's in all those giant Ikea stores??

The ridiculous "Red Dawn" is the supreme example of Hollywood's Cold War nostalgia, when the Russkies offered up an easy, de facto villain. Today's terrorism paranoia, apparently, is too complex and too faceless for some. No, we need a clear-cut enemy. Do you have something in red?

The awkward updating of "Red Dawn" came after Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, which had produced the film back in 2009, went bankrupt. Not surprisingly, the market was weak for a film that reportedly cost $60 million to make and suggested modern China was the equivalent of Cold War-era Soviet Union. So the switch was made and distributor FilmDistrict picked it up.

Like the original, "Red Dawn" is about a band of high-schoolers whose hometown (now Spokane, Wash., instead of small town Colorado) is suddenly taken over by parachuting foreign troops. With most adults locked-up and military response not coming, the kids develop into a gang of insurgents, dubbing themselves the Wolverines.

...

http://www.theledger.com/article/20121129/NEWSCHIEF/211295001/1308?Title=A-dizzyingly-implausible-new-Red-Dawn-


Since the beginning, these boogeymen have been raised time and again and each time the scenario has been dizzyingly implausible, but you dupes just keep sucking this up like its your mothers' milk, which, in actuality, it is.
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RST
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2012 07:22 pm
Renegade Jewish Settlers Parts 1 to 5

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Jewish settlers in Palestine: the most notorious squatters in the world.

Part 1
Israeli settlers have been slowly nibbling away at Palestine's West Bank territory for four decades. 300,000 setllers now occupy outposts that range in size from plywood shacks to full-blown suburban housing complexes. Their abundance has grounded the much-ballyhooed two-state solution to a halt. VICE correspondent Simon Ostrovsky travels from Tel Aviv to the remote West Bank outposts where young Israelis squat for the sake of their heritage. But first, Simon pops in for some quick counter-terrorism training with a member of Israel's Special Forces, just in case.

Part 2
Israeli settlers justify their expansion into the West Bank by digging up ancient artifacts that supposedly prove that they've occupied that patch of land for longer than the Palestinians. The twist is that the settlers have the Palestinians do the actual digging under the "supervision" of the Israeli army. Simon stumbles upon one of these infamous archaeological digs and finds that the Israelis are less than eager for their operation to be caught on camera.

Part 3
Meet Simcha and Yosef, a pair of teenage settlers at the Havat Gilad outpost in the West Bank doing what Israeli settlers do best: building and re-building houses without a permit.

Part 4
Simon gets mixed up in the West Bank Land Day protests, where Palestinians annually clash with the Israeli army.

Part 5
Simon travels to Asira al-Qibliya, a Palestinian town that is learning how to defend itself against attacks from the Israeli settlers one hill away.

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

Part 5
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2012 07:37 pm
@RST,
RST wrote:
Jewish settlers in Palestine: the most notorious squatters in the world.


Hardly. They are living in their own homeland.



RST wrote:
Their abundance has grounded the much-ballyhooed two-state solution to a halt.


Nope. The two-state solution was ground to a halt by the Palestinians running around and murdering civilians until the talks collapsed.
RST
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2012 07:41 pm
@oralloy,
Oralloy, I'm trying to see things from your point of view, but I can't stick my head that far up my ass.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2103/2251155626_e279ea31ef_o.jpg


So, once in a while please get your head out of your asshole and smell the fresh air for once.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2012 07:46 pm
@RST,
i hope your pic royalty check is in the mail to firefly....
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2012 08:01 pm
@hawkeye10,
Really, Hawk, Firefly is hardly the only one with her head stroking her esophagus.

You guys have been programmed for this your whole life. It's reinforced every day.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2012 08:36 pm
@JTT,
JTT why have you not responded to the last replies that I have made such as my own mother getting the facts wrong even though I see her as a loving person?
We all get the facts wrong and I think that if we try and engage others without compassion we will not get very far.

Do not get me wrong because I do not think everyone is able to respond to compassion and not everyone that we share compassion with is able to see it. We all have something wrong that we think is correct and some of us are more sociopathic than empathic just as some of us have vision problems and are not able to see as clearly as others.

If you can understand what I am sharing with you then should also understand the value in dropping the attacks on ignorant people.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2012 08:52 pm
@reasoning logic,
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JTT why have you not responded to the last replies that I have made such as my own mother getting the facts wrong even though I see her as a loving person?


I never saw anything about your mother, RL. Loving people do not ignore the plight of the millions brutalized by the US government. Not a soul has come to grips with this.

It's exactly as Harold Pinter says, "[T]he crimes of the US ... have been systematic, constant, clinical, remorseless, and fully documented but nobody talks about them."

You go ahead and treat them with kid gloves. These are supposed to be adults. Gracie, a fourteen year old girl, put them all to shame.

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We all get the facts wrong and I think that if we try and engage others without compassion we will not get very far.


Sentient beings do not get so many voluminous facts wrong, RL. Sentient beings do not completely discount facts from their own government inquiries that illustrate just how evil the US has been. Sentient beings do not face ten million dead and in various and sundry fashion either ignore it or deny it outright.

Sentient beings do not whine about their own misfortunes right after destroying two countries and causing the deaths of, "they really could give a ****" how many Iraqis and Afghans.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2012 09:16 pm
@JTT,
Sentient is a word often used in theology and metaphysics to describe the precious value of all life, as in: "all sentient beings." Pronounced: sen shent, sĕn'shənt or -shē-ənt, sentients are all alive and feeling beings with conscious perception which are capable of experiencing pain and suffering.


Not everyone is as intellectual as you.


You might be surprised how we are all able to come to different conclusions of events that might fall under this subject.

All of us see reality through a kaleidoscope, Do not get me wrong because I see things more closely as you do or should I say that I often agree with what you share but it is sad that some of our love ones are not able to see as you nor I, Just as we have people with vision problems who are nearsighted, farsighted and who may have color blind problems we also have problems with understanding other forms of reality.

Example.


 

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