Why There Cannot Be Peace Between Israel and the Palestinians

I am bigot however toward any group of people that celebrity the blowing up of men, women and children going about their daily lives

what with the US’ UN ambassador Susan Rice making utterly ridiculous claims such as, “the resolution places further obstacles in the path to peace” and “prospects for peace have only receded,” and referring to this resolution as “provocative,” and an “effort that seeks to delegitimize the state of Israel.”

Neither the Arabs nor Jews are 'heirs' to that land, as Abraham either didn't exist or was just some dude. It's all bullshit excuses for the same things that every other nation and people have done since the dawn of time, and nobody has a right to get back the land they lost thousands of years ago, based on a made-up story.

Sometimes I can't believe that we live in such an infantile world

Cycloptichorn

I am bigot however toward any group of people that celebrity the blowing up of men, women and children going about their daily lives and I am surely do look down on such a people no matter what their blood line or skin color happen to be.

Neither the Arabs nor Jews are 'heirs' to that land, as Abraham either didn't exist or was just some dude. It's all bullshit excuses for the same things that every other nation and people have done since the dawn of time, and nobody has a right to get back the land they lost thousands of years ago, based on a made-up story.

Sometimes I can't believe that we live in such an infantile world

Cycloptichorn

They also say that it's not true that Jews were absent from Palestine--and then they sidestep that by saying that the Jews have maintained close ties over the last 3700 years. That's a slick bait and switch. They were absent during the Babylonian captivity, and the Romans ran them out over 1800 years ago. But that doesn't count, they maintained close ties.

What is saddest is that clowns like Oralloy claim one is repeating "blood libel" and Advocate claims that anyone who criticizes Israel is a "Jew hater" (the exact term he used in addressing me recently).

What makes that the saddest thing is that the people of Israel themselves suffer so badly because of the cupidity and greed of the Zionists. It's not just the Palestinians who are victimized by that bunch.

Tell that to the righteous religious nuts here (oralloy and BillRM) who believe Jews have inheritance to the land, because they and other religious fanatics claim that their god gave it them.

I'm just trying to beat them with their own argument that they have supported so far.

That the West Bank is the ancient homeland of the Jews is an established historical fact. Nothing mythological about it.

That, today, Israel is their homeland, is also a fact.

The illegality came when, soon after the war, Israel announced that it would forever control the eastern boundary of the West Bank (along the Jordan valley), thus cutting the entire west Bank off from any independent direct contact with the external world. Israel then went on to control movement across the land, water and air rights, and all elements of the civil society of the West Bank, without giving the population of the land any rights whatsoever, and no voice at all in the action of the government that was controlling their lives Israel abused this power by systematically driving Palestinians off their land to make way for israeli settlements and further isolate the Palestinians in numerous disconnected enclaves in which they could be easily controlled. In short they created a ghetto into which the population was confined, much as the former European oppressors of Jews had done to them. In this action the crimes of the Israelis were every bit as illegal and evil as were the similar crimes inflected on the European Jews by the Nazis.

Thus you are merely evading the obvious legal and moral issue here.

History is not with you on this point. The Oppressive Orange government of Northern Ireland was backed up by the Power of the British Empire for three centuries in the face of a growing Irish (Catholic) population in the territory (The British exterminated most of the Irish population in the 17th century when they gave the land to an imported population, but, like Palestine, the opporssed population was much more fertile than its oporessors.) As time passed the Power of the British Empire waned and its willingness to aid its client syate in Northern Ireland was finally exhausted. The same is happening to Israel today in that the popular and political committment of the United States to sustain Israel's growing intransigence and continued oppression is quite obviously waning.

Israel's weapons will not be able to save it under these conditions.

oralloy wrote:

And if Israel ever faced a threat that could not be eliminated by the combined forces of the Israeli and US military, Israel could just take care of it by popping off a few atomic shells.

A delusion.

Israel is surrounded by people it has oppressed and misused.

It's enemies are hundreds of yards away, not thousands of miles. Such an action would start a bloodbath from which Israel is not likely to emerge.

Do you really beliece our president means his words when he piously asserts our "unwavering" committment to aid Israel? Do you really believe that most Americans support such a policy?

The sheer hypocrisy and double speak emanating from the Zionists after the UN vote on Palestine is astounding,

what with the US’ UN ambassador Susan Rice making utterly ridiculous claims such as, “the resolution places further obstacles in the path to peace” and “prospects for peace have only receded,” and referring to this resolution as “provocative,”

The only reason I see that this resolution can be seen as an obstacle to peace, and that it has receded the prospects for peace is that it has given the Zionists a pretext to end negotiations and continue arrogating land east of the Green Line with impunity.

In all actuality, this has been the most peaceable step in the Israel/Palestine conflict since the breakdown of negotiations in late 2010. The only recent step that has prompted Israel to even begin to consider easing its oppression of the Palestinians of Gaza was the violence that ensued with the launching by the militants there of rockets that had the range to reach the cities of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Unfortunately, violence is the only thing that will prompt the Zionists to even consider slacking the chain of their oppression of the Palestinian peoples.

Rice stated that the resolution does not change the reality on the ground, and that is one of the true obstacles to peace. The reality on the ground is that Israel continues to build and expand its settlements in areas east of the Green Line which has made the prospects for the so-called “Two State Solution” untenable. The “Two State Solution” is a non-starter.

What’s more, the Zionists conflate ethnicity with religion in their assertions that Palestine belongs to “the Jews.” So, some of their ancestors professed the Jewish religion, and the Jewish religion arose in Palestine, and there were Jews in Palestine. So what?

“The Jews” to which the Zionists refer, and to which the British made their infamous promise in their Belfour Declaration, are a people from Europe with mixed European and Semitic ethnicity. The idea that Palestine belongs to these people is preposterous.

Oralboy

More like mired in religious Zionism mythology than historical fact.

Part of that madness is the claim to their "right of return" after 1800 years, while denying a right of return to the people who inhabited that land just a few generations ago.