JPB
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 07:43 am
I was just watching Eric Cantor on Morning Joe. His response to, "What's changed?" is that the President got reelected and if they do nothing then everyone's taxes increase a lot. He said he hasn't spoken to Grover to know what he wants done. It's going to be an interesting few weeks.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 09:13 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:
Senate Republicans are bailing on Grover. Still no one from the House.
I think most of the rest will follow fairly quickly. Once there is a crack in the dam it's only a matter of time before the whole thing breaks.

I think it's entertaining so see what each of their excuses are for changing their stance. That bit about "this isn't the same congress it was 20 years ago" was brilliant. Just shows you they can spin anything any way they like once they decide to do it. Smile
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 11:48 am
@rosborne979,
I agree; they are great spinners - and will say almost anything to win votes.

They say action speaks louder than words. We'll just have to wait and see.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 12:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I agree; they are great spinners - and will say almost anything to win votes.
All politicians do their fare share of spinning. I didn't mean to imply that one group is any worse than the other.
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JPB
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 12:11 pm
Which is why we never seem to fix any problems in Washington. It's mostly spin and politicking towards the next election.

Grover isn't worried...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 12:37 pm
@JPB,
True! In this morning's newspaper article, the Fiscal Cliff will damage not only the economy in California but the whole country, because the higher taxes will mean less spending by consumers - which represents 70% of our economy.

Conservatives don't care about our economy, but since American voters are the ones to keep them in Wn DC, we can blame it on ourselves for this mess.

Their political games are stopping businesses from expanding - not knowing what the future holds.

They don't care for Americans or jobs; they just want to play politics in Wn DC.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 01:00 pm
@cicerone imposter,
From the NYT.
Quote:

November 26, 2012, 6:00 am1 Comment
White House Sees Stunted Growth if Tax Cuts Expire
By PETER BAKER
Americans could spend nearly $200 billion less next year on cars, clothes, furniture and other consumer products than they would otherwise if automatic tax increases take effect as currently scheduled, the White House warned in a report issued Monday morning.

Such a crimp on demand would curb the growth of real consumer spending by 1.7 percentage points in 2013 and slow the growth of the overall economy by 1.4 percentage points, according to the report prepared by the President’s Council of Economic Advisers.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 02:36 pm



Raising taxes will spoil Christmas and the New Year.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 02:42 pm


Raising taxes will kill Santa!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 03:05 pm
@H2O MAN,
It doesn't take affect until "after" Christmas and New Year.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 04:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I know, but the Obama propaganda machine seems to lack this knowledge.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 04:50 pm
@H2O MAN,
How did you arrive at that conclusion?
parados
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 05:00 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:



Raising taxes will kill Santa!

No, the NRA shot and killed him a long time ago.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 05:05 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
President Obama returned to campaign mode on Monday casting Republicans as against the middle class by saying their failure to accept his offer for a limited extension of tax breaks will essentially ruin Christmas for consumers and retailers.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 05:24 pm
@H2O MAN,
You wrote,
Quote:
Raising taxes will spoil Christmas and the New Year.


Not true; black Monday beat last year by over 13%.

Also,
Quote:
Holiday FAQ
What is NRF’s prediction for holiday sales growth this year?
NRF is projecting 2012 holiday sales to rise 4.1% from 2011. If NRF’s estimate is correct, holiday sales this year would be $586.1 billion.

How much did holiday sales change last year?
In 2011, holiday sales increased 5.6% to $563 billion, which was only slightly more than the 5.5% increase in 2010. On average, holiday sales have increased 3.5% per year for the last 10 years. This includes expectations for 2012.

Why are these numbers different than what you have previously reported?
Earlier this year, the U.S. Department of Commerce revised the last several years of retail sales data. Additionally, NRF now includes “auto parts, accessories and tire stores” and “non-store” retail sales figures in its economic analysis and calculations. This change—impacting all future NRF retail sales figures and forecasts, including the 2012 holiday forecast—seeks to be more representative of the retail industry’s diversity, and better reflect the growth and economic influence of specific retail sectors such as auto parts, e-commerce and non-store sales.



FYI, the Fiscal Cliff has been around for more than a couple of months, so people aren't reacting to this "fiscal cliff" as you presume.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 05:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
But it doesn't take affect until "after" Christmas and New Year.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 05:50 pm
@H2O MAN,
You're talking about two different issues; apples and oranges.

I think you have water in your brains. They have a name for it; it's called hydrocephalus.
JPB
 
  1  
Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 05:56 pm
DIvidend payouts are expected to skyrocket in Dec as companies look to make special payouts to shareholders before capital gains rates increase next year. Adelson will get over half of the 2.26 billion that the Sands will distribute in mid-Dec.

Quote:
NEW YORK — Casino operator Las Vegas Sands Corp. said Monday it will pay a special dividend of $2.75, distributing about $2.26 billion to its shareholders by the end of the year.

The company said the dividend will be payable Dec. 18 to shareholders of record on Dec. 10. Chairman Sheldon Adelson said returning capital to shareholders is a priority for the company.

The casino operator is the latest company to move up its quarterly payout or issue a special end-of-year payment to protect investors from potentially having to pay higher taxes on dividend income starting in January.

Many companies are reviewing their dividend policies now that it appears investors could soon pay higher taxes. Since 2003, investors have paid a maximum 15 percent on dividend income. But that historically low rate will expire in January unless Congress and President Barack Obama reach a compromise on taxes and government spending. As it stands, dividends will be taxed as ordinary income in 2013, the same as wages, so rates will go up depending on which income bracket a taxpayer is in. For the highest earners, the dividend rate would jump to 43.4 percent.
More
roger
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 06:21 pm
@JPB,
Anticipation of increased taxes on dividends and capital gains had at least something to with the recent selloff in the stock markets, too
JPB
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 06:25 pm
@roger,
I wonder where they're putting their money instead.
 

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