Fiscal Cliff

...who takes credit for suggesting it does not matter.

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...who takes credit for suggesting it does not matter.

You are talking about a fictional world here?????

...then we will have to get an agreement on how much government to have...

... and where to start to make the massive cuts which are unavoidable...

No, it's not irrelevant. Now the House Rs can vote for a tax cut and pass the smell test. Why do you think Boehner couldn't get $1M through his caucus?

Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5213597)
Frank Apisa wrote:

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...who takes credit for suggesting it does not matter.


You are talking about a fictional world here?????


in the real world people care less and less about these skirmishes between the D's and the R's. they both suck.

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Re: JPB (Post 5213594)
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No, it's not irrelevant. Now the House Rs can vote for a tax cut and pass the smell test. Why do you think Boehner couldn't get $1M through his caucus?

because he lacks the use of power skills to get it done. nobody fears him, which makes him useless.

Could be. But "in the real world" people keep returning the same people to power...and if you truly think it does not matter who gets the credit for stuff, you just are not looking at the situation realistically.

The crazies have taken over the asylum in the Republican Party.

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5213609)
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Could be. But "in the real world" people keep returning the same people to power...and if you truly think it does not matter who gets the credit for stuff, you just are not looking at the situation realistically.

you are blowing this image that I have of you being a smart guy....once we decide that all parties are incompetent and/or corrupted who takes credit and who sells their story the best no longer matters. we dont care. this is where we are rapidly getting with the Washington elite.

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5213613)
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The crazies have taken over the asylum in the Republican Party.

which is proof of Boehner's incompetence....

Nothing is "rapidly" changing in Washington...or in the electorate. Look at the results of the last election. Credit matters...if it didn't, these legislators wouldn't give it two minutes of their time. They are NOT STUPID.

The fiscal cliff cometh. And, whether or not the House and Senate — with an assist from the White House — figure out some sort of stopgap(ish) way to avert going over the edge, one lesson is already crystal clear: Congress has failed

Don’t believe us? Consider the following:
* Both sides put off any discussion of addressing the country’s looming financial crisis until after the 2012 election, which was cast as the peoples’ chance to let their voices be heard as to what direction they wanted their politicians to head. President Obama won with 332 electoral votes, Democrats surprisingly kept the Senate and not so surprisingly picked up a handful of seats in the House. And yet, here we are.
* Given that the country is headed over the cliff in a day or so — triggering a series of automatic cuts across the government — the logistical and political hurdles to any sort of grand bargain to address the country’s long-term debt and spending issues are insurmountably high. That means that any deal will be decidedly narrow in nature in order to pass it through the political and legislative gantlet that is a narrowly Democratic-controlled Senate and a Republican-controlled House. And if Congress can’t even find common ground on a small-bore deal, what does that say about its chances of cutting a big deal down the line?
* We’ve been here before. This will be the second time in less than 18 months that Congress — and specifically House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) — tried to find a way to solve the “big” problem of the country’s growing debt burden. And even if a deal is made, it will be the second time (the debt ceiling was the first) that will ultimately be defined not by whether a deal is made or even what the deal looks like but rather by the legislative ugliness — there is no kinder word — that led to the “compromise.”
Seen through that lens, what happens between now and when the clock strikes midnight tonight won’t really matter all that much. The die is cast. For the average person, Congress’s using every second — literally — of its allotted time (and maybe more than its allotted time) to find a deal will be chalked up as another in a series of failures by Washington.
And if the fallout for Congress is anything like what we saw in the wake of the debt-ceiling debacle, you can expect what has already been a dismal run in terms of the institution’s political popularity to get even worse.
West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin (D) hit it on the head Sunday when he took to the Senate floor to lambaste his colleagues for their failure to act. “It is absolutely inexcusable that all of us find ourselves in this place at this time … with no plan and no apparent hope,” said Manchin.
No matter what happens in these final hours, Manchin’s sentiment seems certain to mirror the American public’s view of Congress and the fiscal cliff. Failure seems not to be an option but the only one.

...who takes credit for suggesting it does not matter.

It's a rigged cliffhanger to keep your eyes glued to the TV screen so that you don't miss the ads and the protagonists get more opportunities to exhibit themselves.

Which leader do you blame most for not having a deal yet on the "fiscal cliff?"


The president (41024) 50%


Rep. John Boehner (27274) 33%


Rep. Nancy Pelosi (2261) 3%


Sen. Mitch McConnell (4729) 6%


Sen. Harry Reid (7421) 8%