JPB
 
  2  
Reply Fri 14 Dec, 2012 03:46 pm
Quote:
At a dinner with lobbyists Thursday night, McConnell disclosed that Senate Republicans were eyeing a so-called “two-bill strategy” increasingly being pushed by lawmakers in both parties, according to multiple sources in the room.

The idea would be to advance two bills, giving each party an opportunity to vote on the approach they favored, but only one would be signed into law: The extension of the Bush-era rates for families who earn less than $250,000 annually.

But House Republicans haven’t bought into this scenario yet, the latest divide between the House and Senate GOP in the already tense negotiations.
Under one possible scenario, the House would take up a Senate-passed bill to extend the Bush-era rates for all but the top 2 percent of wage earners and increase taxes on capital gains and dividends from 15 percent to 20 percent, sending that to President Barack Obama’s desk on the backs of Democratic votes in the House.
Under this idea, the Republican-led House would also pass a competing bill to extend the Bush tax rates for all wage earners, including wealthy Americans, but that bill would be derailed in the Democratic-led Senate.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/mcconnell-signals-movement-on-taxes-85106.html#ixzz2F46c6z7w
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spendius
 
  1  
Reply Fri 14 Dec, 2012 03:54 pm
@JPB,
And whose responsible for that JP?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Fri 14 Dec, 2012 04:00 pm
@roger,
Doesn't matter; it's consumer spending that makes up 70% of our economy.

Government spending only increases the debt - especially like the two wars that GW Bush started without funding them.
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JPB
 
  1  
Reply Fri 14 Dec, 2012 04:13 pm
@spendius,
The House would send Obama two bills. He would only sign one of them.
spendius
 
  1  
Reply Fri 14 Dec, 2012 04:16 pm
@JPB,
Actually I meant about the progeny JP.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Reply Sat 15 Dec, 2012 05:39 pm
@JPB,
Most are discussing the fiscal cliff, but the feds will be running our of money by the end of this month, and congress will need to approve the debt ceiling. The GOP has already said they're not going to approve the debt ceiling without getting cuts in "entitlements."

The GOP ignores the fact that taxpayers have paid into what they call "entitlements," but doesn't care about a) unfunded wars they started, b) higher taxes for the wealthy, and c) transferring the national debt to our children and grandchildren.

The GOP also doesn't care about putting the brakes on our fragile economy by threatening not to deal unless the democrats come up with cuts in those "entitlements," but they offer nothing in the way of where the cuts should come from.

The GOP already reduced our government bond ratings last year, and they're ready to do it again.

There's no .........
spendius
 
  1  
Reply Sat 15 Dec, 2012 06:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The feds can't run out of money.

There's no cure for stupid.
parados
 
  1  
Reply Sat 15 Dec, 2012 06:26 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

The feds can't run out of money.

There's no cure for stupid.
Actually, they can run out of money if they don't authorize more.
JPB
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2012 07:32 am
@parados,
@all

Boehner puts cash on the table from millionaires and Obama might move away from his $250,000 threshold for increased tax rates. In exchange the Rs want entitlement reform and to keep their military budget intact. I don't like this deal. I don't object to some entitlement reform, but I have a feeling that the folks who don't participate in SS because they have their own retirement program are about to stick it to the seniors on SS so they that they get to keep their big boy toys.

Quote:
In exchange for the higher rates for millionaires, Boehner is demanding changes to federal health and retirement programs, which are projected to be the biggest drivers of future federal borrowing. Boehner wants $1 trillion in total savings, starting with adoption of a less generous way of calculating inflation that would save $200 billion over the next decade — about two-thirds of it by reducing Social Security cost-of-living adjustments.

Obama has offered $600 billion in spending cuts, with $350 billion coming from health programs and none from Social Security. Many congressional Democrats adamantly oppose dragging the program into the year-end talks.

Still, if Republicans make an offer on higher tax revenue that Democrats consider big enough, senior Democrats have signaled that they are open to the change in how inflation is calculated for the tax code and other federal programs, known as chained CPI.

The tax issue also remains problematic. Obama has called for the Bush tax cuts to expire for income over $250,000 a year, a move that would raise about $830 billion over the next decade, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation. He also wants higher taxes on inherited estates and new limits on tax breaks for the wealthy, to bring total new taxes to $1.6 trillion.

White House officials last week dropped their tax demand to $1.4 trillion and may be willing to go lower, Democrats said. But setting the income threshold for tax rate hikes at $1 million, as Boehner proposed, would sacrifice too much money, they said, adding that a threshold of $375,000 or even $500,000 might be more acceptable.

If a pact were reached, people in both parties say it likely would include a postponement of $100 billion in automatic spending cuts from the Pentagon and other agency budgets next year.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2012 10:44 am
@JPB,
Never going to happen - we won't get a deal before the end of the year at this point.

And we don't want one...

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2012 11:14 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Boehner already knows his offer was rejected before he even offered it. He's continuing to play politics as our christmas shopping season nears its end, and consumers are spending less not know what impact the increased taxes will have.

They're even saying they're not going to approve the debt ceiling when the feds run out of money at the end of this month.

Those guys are idiots and dangerous to our well being.
spendius
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2012 01:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
There's no way the feds can run out of money. It's an oxymoron of the noun/verb type.
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JPB
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2012 02:20 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Yup

"@mattizcoop: It's gonna turn out that he 2011 effort to use the debt ceiling to cut spending led to a huge 2013 tax hike. #cliff #ironic
11 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite"
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2012 02:27 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Never going to happen - we won't get a deal before the end of the year at this point.

And we don't want one...

Paul Krugman makes a good point about that: A deal will only emerge when it makes both sides better off than they would be without a deal. Without a deal, Obama lets the budget go over the fiscal cliff, then offers a middle-class-only tax cut that the Republicans won't dare vote "no" on. What can the Republicans offer him that makes him better off than without a deal, without making themselves worse off than without a deal? Apparently, nothing. And that's why a deal looks unlikely.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2012 03:01 pm
@Thomas,
Yup, I'm looking forward to the "fiscal cliff" that will make the conservatives look even more stupid than is possible from all the boners they pulled this year during the election.

I just wonder how many conservatives are going to be looking at their own party's actions that have hurt them in every way? Will they change party or not vote?
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 11:09 am
@cicerone imposter,
As of last night, I thought that, perhaps, we were seeing a deal come together after all - there were some news reports that seemed to indicate a softening of position on both sides.

However, as of this morning, Boehner seems to have moved on to what he calls 'plan B' - pass a permanent tax extension for everyone making less than a million dollars, and get the hell out of town. Of course, that will fail, and cliff diving we will a'go...

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 11:16 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Boehner is a prick! He doesn't seem to care about our country's economy or its people.

What more need be said?

He plays around with what he believes is power, but from my POV, he's going to be losing big time in the future. How many idiots are going to support an asshole who destroys their financial security?
spendius
 
  0  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 11:57 am
@cicerone imposter,
He might be attempting to rescue what's left of your financial security.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Dec, 2012 03:10 pm
@cicerone imposter,
At this point in the fiscal cliff "game," I'm just wondering how much more Obama will cave into Boehner's demands?
JPB
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Dec, 2012 03:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Today was drama day. Two press conferences, one long one by President Obama and a 51 second speech by Boehner that indicated he's got nothing.

Boehner's Plan B vote in the House tomorrow (will probably fail), fiscal cliff likely, Boehner hopes to come back on 1/3/13, get reelected Speaker and then push for a deal that's easily defined as a tax cut not a tax increase.
 

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