JPB
 
  3  
Reply Sun 2 Dec, 2012 12:53 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
How many of those smart people live within the 1% bubble that pushes them to espouse those views? I'm surprised with your tea party roots that you don't see that. I absolutely agree with Grover on one thing. The negotiations should be in chambers and televised on cspan. Let the voters see who debates and votes in accordance with lobbyists from one quarter or another or who actually votes for their constituency. There will be no cliff -- the only real debate is how much give and take there will be between Wall St and the AARP --- unless the voters get to watch the debate, and then the Rs will vote en masse to send us over.
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JTT
 
  1  
Reply Sun 2 Dec, 2012 12:59 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Hate to break this too you, but there are millions of people who don't consider an association with Limbaugh to be the Mark of Cain, and the folks you've referenced can hardly be considered a "cabal."


There are also millions who don't consider an association with dumb as a hammer, war criminal/terrorist Republican presidents to be the Mark of Cain but that still doesn't reflect well on their "intelligence", Finn.

And 'cabal' isn't far off the mark at all. Just what percentage of Americans do you think benefits from these frequent war crimes and terrorist actions?
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JPB
 
  1  
Reply Mon 3 Dec, 2012 06:22 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

I think they're going to come up with something that's close to Simpson-Bowles (as they should have done when it came out).


Quote:
As the nation approaches the “fiscal cliff” there is one gold standard for all sides in the debt debate – the Simpson-Bowles Commission.

The latest burst of interest in Simpson-Bowles is akin to having that old disco-era dress in the basement come back in fashion again.

The commission’s findings — long abandoned — are suddenly the thinking-man’s solution to the debt crisis. Why this may work to avoid the cliff
spendius
 
  1  
Reply Mon 3 Dec, 2012 07:22 am
@JPB,
The Caesar Plan is waiting in the wings of course. When politicians haven't the will to solve problems because the only solution is unpopular a Caesar will arise.
JPB
 
  1  
Reply Mon 3 Dec, 2012 07:55 am
@spendius,
Our generals are plenty low on the popularity poll these days.
spendius
 
  1  
Reply Mon 3 Dec, 2012 08:34 am
@JPB,
Do you mean because of the recent machinations of two ambitious females in two individual cases or do you mean generally? The two generals were very popular I understood until a catfight broke out.
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H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Reply Mon 3 Dec, 2012 09:08 am


Congrats Dear Ruler!

Looks like we have a new record for which to congratulate our Dear Ruler, Barack Obama! From CNSNews …

The federal government has now borrowed more money during Barack Obama’s time as president than it did in the period lasting from the time President George Washington took the oath office until July 2, 2001, more than five months into the first term of President George W. Bush.

From George Washington into George Bush’s administration … that is the legacy of Barack Obama. It’s not the legacy that we want, but it is the legacy that we will get thanks to Americans and their willingness to vote for entitlements and more government, which is exactly what Obama has promised them.

By Neal Boortz
joefromchicago
 
  1  
Reply Mon 3 Dec, 2012 10:45 am
@JPB,
Simpson-Bowles would be an unmitigated disaster. That Juan Williams thinks it's the best option only confirms that fact.
spendius
 
  0  
Reply Mon 3 Dec, 2012 10:58 am
@joefromchicago,
I assumed it was one of the variations on the "getting the deficit down by incantation" constructions and jobs for the good old boys as a bonus. With photo ops optional.

We have just had a similar enterprise go off here. The Leveson Enquiry. A "getting the press to behave responsibly" incantation. aka--how to stop people doing what they want to do in a free society.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Mon 3 Dec, 2012 11:06 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

JPB wrote:

I think they're going to come up with something that's close to Simpson-Bowles (as they should have done when it came out).


Quote:
As the nation approaches the “fiscal cliff” there is one gold standard for all sides in the debt debate – the Simpson-Bowles Commission.

The latest burst of interest in Simpson-Bowles is akin to having that old disco-era dress in the basement come back in fashion again.

The commission’s findings — long abandoned — are suddenly the thinking-man’s solution to the debt crisis. Why this may work to avoid the cliff



The S-B commission was a joke - it failed in it's mission and would be a disaster if they tried to implement it. It was based, for chrissake, on the faulty proposition that higher marginal rates need to be pushed even lower.

Cycloptichorn
spendius
 
  1  
Reply Mon 3 Dec, 2012 11:17 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
Form the habit as soon as you become a money-earner, or money maker (nice distinction eh?), of saving a part of your salary, or profits. Put away one dollar out of every ten you earn. The time will come in your lives when, if you have a little money, you can control circumstances; otherwise circumstances will control you. . .


Henry Clews giving advice to Yale students in 1908 as part of a definition of the Protestant Ethic. Quoted by William H. Whyte in The Organization Man.

Mr Clews was born in England and emigrated to the US at 14.
spendius
 
  1  
Reply Mon 3 Dec, 2012 11:23 am
@spendius,
Obviously, for a Media organisation man, Mr Clews' remarks are blasphemous.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Mon 3 Dec, 2012 11:24 am
@spendius,
One dollar? On a monthly basis, my wife and I put away three out of every ten dollars we earn. And sometimes four, if there's money at the end of the month.

Cycloptichorn
woiyo
 
  1  
Reply Mon 3 Dec, 2012 11:53 am
@H2O MAN,
Let's see. Now the Democrats want to only talk about increasing revenues TODAY and they will "tackle" the spending cuts later. The Republicans want to do both now.

They are both lying !!!

The Democrats WILL NEVER do anything to cuts real spending that is important (Medicare, Medicaid and SS) and only want to raise more revenue.

The Republicans only want tax cuts to satisfy their "friends".

I say, let's go over the cliff. The Clinton Era is said to be the benchmark. So let's return to those tax rates across the board. Let the cuts to defense and Medicare kick in. The idiots in Congress will legislate those away anyway.

Let's see what happens when the estate tax is returned back to a $1.0 Million exemption and a 55% top rate. Let's see all the politicians CRINGE when their "friend" get socked with this tax haven !!!
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Mon 3 Dec, 2012 11:56 am
@woiyo,
Yea, I've always believed that Obama should "welcome" the fiscal cliff. For the GOP, it's a lose-lose, no-compromise, position that will end up biting them in the arse. It's going to hit everybody with tax increases; the dead end of the GOP.

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parados
 
  4  
Reply Mon 3 Dec, 2012 12:07 pm
@H2O MAN,

Did you know that President Reagan borrowed 3 times more than all the Presidents prior to him?

Did you know we are still paying interest every year on the money that Reagan borrowed? But don't worry about someone that triples the debt. Quick... look over there. It'a a shiny thing.
spendius
 
  1  
Reply Mon 3 Dec, 2012 12:13 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
You will go far Cyclo. Keep your nose clean. The escalator does the rest. They are going buggered at the top at the same rate they were born.

Watch out for inflation though. Debtors want inflation.
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revelette
 
  2  
Reply Mon 3 Dec, 2012 01:19 pm
Quote:
Democrats, here are eight principles to guide you in the coming showdown over the fiscal cliff:

ONE: HOLD YOUR GROUND. The wealthy have to pay their fair share of taxes. That's what the election was all about, and we won. It's only fair they pay more. They're taking home record share of national income and wealth, and have lowest effective tax rate in living memory.

TWO: NO DEAL IS BETTER THAN A BAD DEAL. You're in a strong bargaining position. If you do nothing, the Bush tax cuts automatically expire in January, and we go back to rates during Clinton administration. Which isn't such a bad thing. As I recall we had a pretty good economy during the Clinton years.

THREE: MAKE REPUBLICANS VOTE ON EXTENDING THE TAX CUTS JUST FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS. After all the Bush tax cuts expire, have Republicans vote on an extending the Bush tax cut just for the middle-class. If they refuse and try to hold those tax cuts hostage to tax cuts for the wealthy, it will show whose side they're on. They'll pay the price in 2014.

FOUR: DEMAND HIGHER TAX RATES ON WEALTHY, NOT JUST LIMITS ON DEDUCTIONS. Don't fall for Republican offers to limit some tax deductions on the wealthy. Demand we go back to higher tax rates on the wealthy and eliminate their unfair tax loopholes, so they truly start paying their fair share.

FIVE: DON'T CUT SAFETY NETS. Don't sacrifice Medicare or Social Security, or programs for the poor. Americans depend on these safety nets and can't afford any benefit cuts.

SIX: DON'T CUT INVESTMENTS IN OUR FUTURE PRODUCTIVITY. Education, basic R&D, and infrastructure aren't spending; they're investments in our future prosperity. If the return on these investments is greater than the cost, they ought to be made, period.

SEVEN: CUT SPENDING ON MILITARY AND CORPORATE WELFARE. You want to cut, cut spending on the military -- which now exceeds the military spending of the next 13 largest military spenders in the world combined. And cut corporate welfare -- support to agribusiness, oil and gas, Big Pharma, big insurance and Wall Street.

EIGHT: PUT JOBS BEFORE DEFICIT REDUCTION. Finally, Don't cut the budget deficit as long as unemployment remains high. Otherwise you'll cause the economy to contract, making the deficit even larger in proportion. That's the austerity trap Europe has fallen into. We need to create American prosperity, not European austerity.

Remember: Jobs come first.


source
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Mon 3 Dec, 2012 02:13 pm
@revelette,
Pretty good list, if I say so myself! Mr. Green Mr. Green

I hope we go over the fiscal cliff; all republicans will be paying more in taxes - their death warrant (that's how they think)..
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 3 Dec, 2012 02:35 pm
@parados,


Did you know that none of those facts make what Comrade Obama is doing to this country acceptable?
 

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