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American Conservatism In 2012 & Beyond

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2012 05:07 pm
Just heard much the same on the radio, and they included the need to appeal to Latino voters. An RNC operative (sorry, didn't catch the name--i wasn't paying attention until he made his remarks) said explicitly that unless Republicans can turn it around with women, and appeal to younger and Latino voters, they'll become a minority party.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2012 05:29 pm
@Setanta,
And yet the conservative bunch have already said no compromise.
sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2012 05:32 pm
@RABEL222,
That's not what they're saying now.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2012 05:34 pm
@RABEL222,
You're absolutely wrong about that. Go do a search on the Speaker and what he has said.
djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2012 05:34 pm
@sozobe,
yes, but eventually they'll come to realize that they must rub shoulders with "the great unwashed" and that's something i don't think they're comfortable with
sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2012 05:37 pm
@djjd62,
Yeah, they're not in a good spot, that's for sure.

That's what they'll attempt, though.

I was talking to my husband about that this morning, and I predicted that there will be a bunch of "candidates of color" from the Republicans -- Jindal, Rubio, "little brown child" Bush, etc. I think that a lot of Republicans (not all) think that Obama gets support from minorities because he's a minority. Not that they like his policies, or substance.

So I think there will be some attempts at same old policies but in new packages -- and when that doesn't work, then some real change might happen.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2012 05:38 pm
@Setanta,
If you dont mind I think I will wait to see what they "do", not what they say.
djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2012 05:39 pm
@sozobe,
sozobe wrote:
I think that a lot of Republicans (not all) think that Obama gets support from minorities because he's a minority. Not that they like his policies, or substance.


would have been interesting to see the results if Cain had got the nod
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2012 05:41 pm
@RABEL222,
That's OK by me, you think your way, and i'll think mine.

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Just heard a Republican operative in New York named Clark saying much the same thing about women and young voters. He specifically said the Republicans need to move toward the center, and that they're scaring people.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2012 05:47 pm
@sozobe,
sozobe wrote:
I was talking to my husband about that this morning, and I predicted that there will be a bunch of "candidates of color" from the Republicans

That gasbag Limbaugh was going on about this today. He was completely baffled as to why a black, female, Republican candidate had been defeated.

He thinks that Democrats are racists, and too dumb to realize that a bad policy promoted by a black person is still a bad policy.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2012 05:48 pm
@sozobe,
"little brown child"?

That was a little uncalled for, don't you think?
If I had used that term, you would call it racist.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2012 05:50 pm
@Setanta,
The age demographic is going to haunt them for a long while, I think.

Every four years, a brand new (mostly) liberal cohort gets to vote, and fewer of the old guard are able to.

And every four years, the cohort is more liberal than the one just before it.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2012 05:55 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:
And every four years, the cohort is more liberal than the one just before it.


It's their own damned fault, too.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2012 05:55 pm
@mysteryman,
It was a quote, from George Bush. Hence the quote marks. I said "little brown child," it was actually "little brown one."

Quote:
Bush Of His Grandkids: 'The Little Brown Ones'
August 17, 1988|By Anne Groer, Sentinel Washington Bureau

NEW ORLEANS — Vice President George Bush, who has vowed to campaign vigorously among blacks and ethnic voters this fall, Tuesday described his three Mexican- American grandchildren to President Reagan as ''the little brown ones.''

The vice president was referring to the children of his second-oldest son, Florida Commerce Secretary Jeb Bush, and Jeb's Mexican-born wife, Columba. The children are George P., 12, Noelle, 11, and Jeb Jr., 4.


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1988-08-17/news/0060200254_1_jeb-bush-grandchildren-president-george-bush

I'm referring to George P. Bush.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2012 08:50 pm
The opinions, currently coming from the Right, on the future of the GOP are hardly well considered and devoid of deep emotional motivation.

There will be no shortage of voices telling us what the Republican Party did wrong and what it needs to do in the future. Some opinions will be sound, but most will not.

Save your breath and wait for the dust to clear a bit.

parados
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2012 09:01 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
The opinions, currently coming from the Right, on the future of the GOP are hardly well considered and devoid of deep emotional motivation.

I'll agree with you there. The problem for the GOP is that those are the same people that will be active in 4 years to select a candidate that won't fail like Romney did. I think they will still be at the hardly well considered point in their examination at that time.
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mouthofrandom
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2012 10:01 pm
The problem is they're giving too much attention to the Tea Party, where outside of a few southern states, most people equate with extremism. This election showed liberalism is still alive, and the fact that the GOP has lost the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 election tells me they're much too right for the rest of the population. I think right now, most Republicans voted for Romney simply because he wasn't Obama. If a truly moderate conservative (likely socially liberal) candidate comes in 2016, I doubt the democrats stand a chance. Until then, they'll be known as the party that hates women, gays, and other minorities.
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jcboy
 
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Reply Thu 8 Nov, 2012 06:12 am
@djjd62,
The Republican party should change their elephant to a woolly mammoth. Both will be extinct soon.
engineer
 
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Reply Thu 8 Nov, 2012 06:23 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

The opinions, currently coming from the Right, on the future of the GOP are hardly well considered and devoid of deep emotional motivation.

Do you have links to what you are seeing?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 8 Nov, 2012 06:32 am
@roger,
roger wrote:

Don't let the stock market upset you. It gets emotional, from time to time. Then it settles down and reflects what profits traders can expect in the next 90 to 180 days.


The jittery stock market is more to do with the Euro crisis than anything else. Greece has the Euro, if it still had the Drachma it could devalue and print its own currency.
 

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