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NASTY SANDY CHURNING UP THE COAST

 
 
JPB
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2012 06:39 pm
@ossobuco,
Or..... through Wednesday depending on which news feed one follows. Flooding has occurred. When the lines will reopen is a question.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2012 06:44 pm
@JPB,
Oh, ok. I can well see them closing as a wise thing, even though it a huge stress humanly and economically. The expletive was about the flooding.

On a side note but affecting a lot of people, I bet the marathon is a goner.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2012 07:09 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Sometime tomorrow, a storm surge from Hurricane Sandy is expected to race through New York Harbor, flooding streets, low-lying areas, and likely the subway tunnels. One 2011 state report suggests that a coastal storm flooding large swathes of the subway system in less than an hour could cost up to $58 billion in economic damages (and lost revenue) and — more disturbingly for the general population — leave New York public transit system out of commission for up to a month.
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" The city would have to invest billions to secure the system against future coastal hurricanes, tropical storms, and nor'easters. How many billions, exactly? "One billion dollars will probably not fix the whole system," Dr. Jacob estimated. "Ten billion dollars might, but this is something that cannot be done on the fly. That will take a decade to engineer.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/climate-expert-warns-of-possible-subway-flooding.html

edit: this is if the tunnels flood...all I can find now is notice of some yard flooding.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2012 07:21 pm
http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/c115.0.403.403/p403x403/546807_10151065727376198_176012771_n.jpg

14th Street and C Avenue in Manhattan

about a five minute walk from where Walter, the Empress, Brenda Lynn, JoefromChicago, I and other A2kers have stayed on trips to NYC
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2012 07:29 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

When we lose power, I can txt ehbeth and let her know.


just got the text - power's out at the glitters
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2012 07:30 pm
@ehBeth,
and the power just started flickering here
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2012 07:35 pm
From what I'm seeing on weather underground, I think Farmerman and family are going to get quite a bit of rain over the next 24 to 36 hours. He is definitely going to have some flooding problems.

Hope he and all the critters make it through safely.

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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2012 07:36 pm
You know how the guy in the movie said "plastics"?

For me it's drainage.

And secondly, steel connectors. Those or other bracing like angled wood seem to me used much more in CA, land of earth shakes, than anywhere else.
My lemon house here in New Mexico has the worst terrace overhead I've ever seen, even for post spacing. I planned to fix it but got to low money. I will fix it some sunny day. I tore off the pos in front of the garage.

There was an early picture - Ocean City? where a club or restaurant patio overhead fell apart. What a petunia overhead, especially in the circumstances.


Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2012 07:38 pm
From wunderground.com

Quote:
BREAKING: MTA Reports 4 Feet of Water In East River Subway
Sandy has made landfall this evening and continues to push a huge storm surge onshore in New Jersey and New York. The MTA has reported that the East River subway has flooded with 4 feet of sea water.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2012 07:38 pm
@ossobuco,
having been in ocean city during a small storm, I would not be there right now for love nor money.

that big surge is gonna raise some serious hell...
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2012 07:41 pm
From Jeff Master's WunderBlog:

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Sandy moving ashore, bringing record storm surge flooding
By Dr. Jeff Masters

Published: 10:40 PM GMT on October 29, 2012

Hurricane Sandy is making its final approach, and will be ashore near the Delaware/new Jersey border early this evening. The scale of this massive storm truly earns Sandy the title of "superstorm", and no storm since at least 1988 has struck the U.S. with a wider area of tropical storm-force winds. High wind warnings are posted from Northern Michigan to Lake Okeechobee, Florida, and from Chicago to Maine. All-time low pressure records have been set at Atlantic City, NJ, Philadelphia, PA, and Wilmington Delaware. The rain is coming down in sheets along the east coast, where heavy rain stretches from Virginia to Pennsylvania and New York. Virginia Beach, VA has seen 9.26", Dover, DE has seen 6.36" and Ocean City, MD has seen 6.31". Some of the heaviest rain, apart from close to the center, is actually on the far western side, where a strong band of precipitation has set up running north to south from Erie, PA south to Pittsburgh, PA. This strong band of rain is moving west into Ohio. Wind gusts have been peaking above 80 mph in New York, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts this afternoon. The strongest gusts we've seen today include 86 mph at Westerly, RI, 84 mph on Plum Island, NY, and 83 mph on Cuttyhunk Island, MA. Sustained winds speeds of 40+ mph stretch from Delaware to Rhode island, with the strongest sustained wind closest to the center of circulation in Lewes, DE. All of this strong, onshore wind has been pushing huge amounts of water toward the shore, where it has nothing to do but pile up over land. As of 5pm EDT, here are the highest storm surges seen:

Kings Point, NY: 7.85 ft
Sandy Hook, NJ: 7.55 ft
Bridgeport, CT: 7.3 ft
New Haven, CT: 6.82 ft
The Battery, NY: 6.7 ft
New London, CT: 5.76 ft
Atlantic City, NJ: 5.69 ft
Lewes, DE: 4.46 ft

Sandy bringing high winds all the way to Chicago

The scope of this storm is truly astonishing. As Sandy combines with the fall low pressure system over the Northeast U.S., its circulation will intensify, and winds over the Great Lakes will increase. Storm warnings are posted for Tuesday on Lake Michigan near Chicago, where sustained 55 - 60 mph winds and waves of 20 - 25 feet are expected. Storm warnings are posted on Lake Erie and Lake Ontario, and high winds from Sandy blowing off of Lake Erie caused damage to signs in Port Clinton, Ohio this afternoon. Check out this webcam view of a very angry Lake Erie. High wind warnings extend from northern Michigan to Central Florida.

Sandy's storm tide peaking early this evening

Storm surge should peak between 7 - 8 pm, and high tide will peak a little later, 8 - 9 pm, depending upon location. The storm tide--how high the water gets above some reference point, commonly chosen to be the average of the daily lowest low tide of the month (Mean Lower Low Water, MLLW) is what we use to discuss how bad storm surge flooding is. The storm tide is the combination of the storm surge and the tide. At Sandy Hook, NJ, the storm tide has reached 10.11', and is still rising. This breaks the old record set by Hurricane Donna in 1960, and the Nor'easter of Dec 11th, 1992. As of 6 pm EDT, the storm tide at The Battery in New York City was 10.1'. The record is 10.5', set during Hurricane Donna of 1960. That also happens to be the level the Lower Manhattan subway system will flood, unless the defenses have been improved since last year's Hurricane Irene. High tide is at 8:53 pm. The rise in surge has slowed down, but the surge may not be slowing down fast enough to avoid record flooding in New York City.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2012 07:59 pm
I'm amazed we haven't lost power here yet, but we haven't. The winds are strong here and the rain is heavy, but I wouldn't say it's any worse than standard storms we get (non hurricane related) from time to time.

But I'm very glad I'm where I am right now because Sandy is going to go right around us, so this particular area will probably be one of the least impacted areas in the entire NorthEast.

Good luck to everyone along the coast and south of here.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2012 08:21 pm
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-V-Pox-vHQpA/UI85LtPgEjI/AAAAAAAAB08/G9l0dhzD-Yc/s538/HurcSandymap.jpg
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2012 08:43 pm
@Butrflynet,
Something interesting hs occured. As the storm began to ingest the CAnadian font, it sucked ina whole lotta cold air and sped up, then the wind seemed to lose a lot of punch. Now, we seem to be in a dry lull because the storm eye passed us over tonight and not tomorrow AM as originally predicted.
We are still with power while all around us is deadness and dark. Do I have survivors guilt--hell no. I just hate the idea o having to unhook the gennie and drive it up to the barn again. Maybe Ill run it a bit to clear its little lungs


Dodging a .45 in Lanacaster County
Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2012 08:47 pm
@farmerman,
Farmerman, I posted in the other thread a couple articles that might explain the explosion you heard earlier, along with video. It may have been the Con Edison plant that exploded in Manhattan.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2012 09:00 pm
@Butrflynet,
I saw, and responded that when I said
my little village nearby" I didnt mean "THE" VILLAGE, but the tiny village of Georgetown (which has several dairy farms right as you enter the village area.)
Turns out a big tranformer on a dairy omplex blew in the storm (probably because dairy farm milking happens about the same time that this storm blew through and there was a huge power draw from the three or four farms that share that power node .

We are actually in alull which I hope is that the storm, going EXTRA tropical, has sucked in a whole batch of cold air on our quadrant and is only packing punch to the NW. We are on the SE of the Storm now. The eye (or whatever 0 passed over us about an hour and a half ago and things have been amazingly quiet and its almost freezing.

This is like that movie "The Day After Tomorrow"
Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2012 09:07 pm
@farmerman,
How are the rain levels on your farm? Is it able to handle the runoff or are you seeing spot flooding in the fields?

Do you have troughs dug in around the barn to channel the water away from all the critters?
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2012 09:09 pm
@farmerman,
Wouldn't it be an awful mess if freezing temps were to set in along the coast and all that surge water turns to ice?

How cold does it need to get for sea water to freeze?
Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2012 09:12 pm
When all this is done, it may be a good dress rehearsal for all these low lying coastal areas for what preparations they need to start making for the rising ocean levels over the next couple of decades.

Local governments would almost be silly to issue re-building permits in these areas.
 

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