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Ghengis Khan

 
 
Asherman
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jun, 2004 07:51 pm
Tribute.
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swolf
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jun, 2004 09:49 pm
Re: WHY did the Mongols invade Europe?
RedCurz wrote:
One thing I don't get is..

Why did the Mongols want to invade Europe in the first place?

"This question is going along with the theory that all nations plan to gain something from expansion."

What were the Mongols planning on gaining?

All I can find on the internet is that most people believe that the Mongols Invasions were pointless b/c they conquered most of europe and then just left.

If anyone has any answers at all please respond asap b/c I need this info for school. Any motives that you can think will be just fine.
-thanks
~Carly


Mongols did not conquer most of Europe. They subjugated the Russian principalities and then invaded Eastern Europe on something like a 700 mile front, decisively defeating the Hungarians at Mohi and routing a Polish and Teutonic knight army at Liegnitz and were resting and reorganizing in the plains of Hungary when word of the death of Oktai Khan arrived, requiring the leaders of the golden horde to return to Mongolia. The horde pulled out of Eastern Europe and set up shop at Sarai near Volgagrad.

In the normal course of events i.e. without Oktai dying, they'd have anticipated reenforcements of men and horses and attempted to push to the Atlantic ocean and take the whole place over.

You can't look at the middle ages and expect to see people acting for the same motives as ours. Few people lived past 40 or 50, meaning that if a soldier got slow and lost a step at 45 and got killed on account of it, he'd only lost a couple of years versus the alternative of having been a farmer. Moreover, in an age which lacked movies, rock concerts, opera, the NFL and the WWF, war was the major form of sport.

One of the most major battles of the 1400s in fact (Tannenberg) was held up for several days for a small handful of English knights to arrive and not miss out, which can only happen if the whole thing is viewed as a sport.

Mongols basically loved warfare and their noble echelons at least believed themselves to have some sort of a devine mandate to rule the entire Earth, if possible. At minimum they sought to dominate trade routes. The man basically running the golden horde when it invaded eastern Europe, Subudai, had a major-league case of wanderlust and a desire to go into the books as the only military leader ever to stand on the shores of both oceans. He almost succeeded.
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swolf
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jun, 2004 05:26 am
Re: WHY did the Mongols invade Europe?
RedCurz wrote:


If anyone has any answers at all please respond asap b/c I need this info for school. Any motives that you can think will be just fine.
-thanks
~Carly


If you can come up with a copy of a book called "The Devil's horsemen", you'd be ahead of the game with respect to history of the Mongols.

http://tinyurl.com/3fcja
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jun, 2004 05:37 am
swolf wrote:
Charlemagne by way of contrast may or may not have ever actually existed; many view him as a sort of a German King Arthur. There is apparently no physical evidence on the planet of his existence and some of the stories you readabout taking on Avars and later day huns don't really make sense from a perspective of military history.


You [better: those "many"] mean, he didn't meet Pope Leo in Paderborn, didn't be coronated emperor in Rome the next year? His sons weren't existing? The Saxons tributed to a phantom? And ... .... etc etc?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jun, 2004 05:48 am
Re: WHY did the Mongols invade Europe?
swolf wrote:

If you can come up with a copy of a book called "The Devil's horsemen", you'd be ahead of the game with respect to history of the Mongols.


You mean, history is the best way told by fiction?

In this case, I would prefer "Genghis Khan" by Harold Lamb [1928], until today the best selling fiction.

Central Asianists like Morgan or Ratchnevsky are not so popularizing writers such as James Chambers, have much more knowledge about the Mongols, however.
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Badboy
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2004 07:28 am
Genghis KHAN
Genghis KHAN is supposed to have 14 million descendants.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2004 07:33 am
I really need to brush up on my Mongol hordes.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2004 07:36 am
Well don't brush up against them, they can be touchy and a bit volatile.
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Badboy
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2004 08:22 am
Genghis Khan
Do you want more facts about the Mongol Hordes?

They invaded India and at point were in Hungary.

On a map of Btype blood,they is an`arrow' of frequenties poiinting into Eastern Europe,and well as India.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2004 08:29 am
It's okay Badboy, I have some books, but thanks for the info. Acquiunk, Laughing
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2004 08:37 am
Ghengis Khan
But Oliver can't
Keep out van Nistlerooy
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swolf
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2004 09:55 pm
Re: Genghis Khan
Badboy wrote:
Do you want more facts about the Mongol Hordes?

They invaded India and at point were in Hungary.

On a map of Btype blood,they is an`arrow' of frequenties poiinting into Eastern Europe,and well as India.


Chengis Khan might have fought that last battle against the Khwaresmians Turks in Indian territory but he never invaded India. The big invasion of India was carried out by the immediate descendants of Tamerlane, who were all muslims and that is the reason for the historical influx of muslims . Mongols at the time of Chengis Khan were not muslims; they were mainly animists.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2004 10:36 pm
Far out Setanta - who invited Mr 'Good-Humour-Post'?
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Badboy
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2004 07:02 am
Genghis Khan
I wasn't refering to Genghis Khan,I was referring to the Monghol Hordes, a lot of conquering was also done by his successiers(sp?) Tamerlane,and whoever succeeded him.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2004 07:39 am
Well that was entertaining. I really hope you and Lusitania can patch things up Set. Don't forget any great partnership must have a little friction...just try to cut down on the thermonuclear warfare ok... Cool
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2004 07:47 am
Craven is the one who wants to get his hands on nukes, Boss . . . although i was certified expert in weapons handling by the army (M-14, M-60 and M-79; i only barely qualified with the M-16, a weapon which i despise), guns bore me, and i consider them an evil in society . . .
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Zeb
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2004 01:59 am
Chingiss Khan
I'm not sure what Setanta is trying to say about Chingiss Khan, other than trying to sound smart and knowledgable. I'm assuming he's a big fan of Charlamagne, but I think he's a little quick to dismiss the man who had such an insight into human psychology to bend multiple tribes to his will. Just because his empier didn't last doesn't mean he wasn't good. Look at Britain. Smile
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Zeb
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2004 02:03 am
Tamerlane
There is no proof that Tamerlane was a descendant of Chingiss Khan. In fact he conquered much of the territory that was already held by other mongols. But then again maybe he didn't care.
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Thok
 
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Reply Wed 6 Oct, 2004 10:53 pm
A important step for the history and archaeology:

Genghis Khan's palace uncovered

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Archaeologists have unearthed the site of Genghis Khan's palace and believe the long-sought grave of the 13th-century Mongolian warrior is somewhere nearby, the head of the excavation team said Wednesday.

A Japanese and Mongolian team found the complex on a steppe 150 miles east of the Mongolian capital of Ulan Bator, said Shinpei Kato of Tokyo's Kokugakuin University.

Genghis Khan (c. 1162-1227) united warring tribes to become leader of the Mongols in 1206. After his death, his descendants expanded his empire until it stretched from China to Hungary.

Genghis Khan built the palace in the simple shape of a square tent attached to wooden columns, Kato said.

The researchers found porcelain buried among the ruins dated to the warrior's era, helping identify the grounds, Kato said.

Genghis Khan's tomb is believed to be nearby because ancient texts say court officials commuted from the mausoleum later built on the grounds to the burial site daily to conduct rituals for the dead.

Kato said finding the grave would help uncover the secrets of Genghis Khan's power. He "conquered Eurasia and built a massive empire. There had to have been a great deal of interaction between east and west at the time, in terms of culture and the exchange of goods," Kato said. "If we find what items were buried with him, we could write a new page for world history."

Genghis Khan's grave site is one of archaeology's enduring mysteries. According to legend, in order to keep it secret, his burial party killed anyone who saw them en route to it; then servants and soldiers who attended the funeral were slain.


Source
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Badboy
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 06:44 am
Question,where exactly is it on a map?
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