izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2012 03:03 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Oh **** off Finn, it's common knowledge that Bush was warned by the Clinton administration about Al Qaida, but Bush decided to go on holiday. Not only that straight after 9/11 the only plane allowed to fly out was full of Bin Ladens relatives.

Rich men watching the backs of other rich men, and to hell with justice for the victims. You're the most useful idiot of all, you're so desperate to stick your tongue up the rich man's arse you'll swallow any amount of lies.

Rich men aren't normally grateful towards their lickspittles, think Smithers and Mr. Burns.
parados
 
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2012 06:15 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Disgracefully, the reasons circle back to politics, with the requests for increased security being turned down for political reasons.

If couldn't possibly be lack of money in the budget?
revelette
 
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2012 08:41 am
@parados,
Quote:
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) acknowledged on Wednesday that House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds allocated to the State Department for embassy security since winning the majority in 2010.

On Wednesday morning, CNN anchor Soledad O'Brien asked the Utah Republican if he had "voted to cut the funding for embassy security."

"Absolutely," Chaffetz said. "Look we have to make priorities and choices in this country. We have…15,000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 contractors, a private army there, for President Obama, in Baghdad. And we’re talking about can we get two dozen or so people into Libya to help protect our forces. When you’re in tough economic times, you have to make difficult choices. You have to prioritize things.”

For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.


source
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Irishk
 
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Reply Tue 16 Oct, 2012 09:36 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
You're being way harsh, Finn. The marines were sent to guard the embassy on 9/11....in Barbados.

I'm convinced. And, if the president does manage to settle the American Idol dispute (and of course he will), I'm all in!!!

First things first Smile
McGentrix
 
  3  
Reply Tue 16 Oct, 2012 12:16 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

This is typical unthinking Finn, he criticises Obama for the attack on the Libyan embassy, but gives Bush a free pass for failing to stop 9/11 despite being warned of the significant threat Al Qaida posed by the outgoing Clinton administration.

This is Finn at his most hypocritical.


Is your giving Obama a free pass on this any different? Pot, meet kettle.
revelette
 
  1  
Reply Tue 16 Oct, 2012 12:27 pm
Focus Was on Tripoli in Requests for Security in Libya

Quote:
In a stream of diplomatic cables, embassy security officers warned their superiors at the State Department of a worsening threat from Islamic extremists, and requested that the teams of military personnel and State Department security guards who were already on duty be kept in service.

The requests were denied, but they were largely focused on extending the tours of security guards at the American Embassy in Tripoli — not at the diplomatic compound in Benghazi, 400 miles away. And State Department officials testified this week during a hearing by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee that extending the tour of additional guards — a 16-member military security team — through mid-September would not have changed the bloody outcome because they were based in Tripoli, not Benghazi.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 16 Oct, 2012 02:04 pm
@izzythepush,
"It's common knowledge?"

Is that the stardard of substantiation we're going to agree upon?

It's common knowledge that the Clinton Adminstration, after neglecting the threat of bin Laden and al Qaida, warned the incoming administration that these were really bad guys who had it in for us.

It is not common or uncommon knowledge that the Clinton Administration provided the Bush Administration with actionable intelligence that a major al Qaida attack on the American homeland was in the works. Once again you are spewing bullshit that you've picked up from hysterical leftist sources.

In any case, and once again, what the he'll does what Bush did or didn't do have to do with Benghazi?

BTW - I'm sorry you're a man of meager means izzy, but somehow I suspect your economics have more to do with sloth and a simple dim wit, than your self-professed refusal to lick the boots (or arse) of The Man.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  2  
Reply Tue 16 Oct, 2012 02:17 pm
@Irishk,
You're right Irish, what was I thinking?

My priorities are clearly off kilter. What Great Man in the Oval Office would not have flown to Las Vegas for a fund-raising event rather then spend valuable time in some boring briefing with national security pinheads the day after an American ambassador was murdered by al-Qaida?

Besides he know more about everything than anyone and he didn't need the briefing. He knew it was an unfortunate but understandable reaction to an offensive video. It couldn't be a serious Islamist terrorist act. After all, he killed Osama and the drones are raining death over the deserts of the Middle East.

I watched the Dem Convention but, due to base partisan politics, just wouldn't accept that The Expected One has already won The War on Terror.

And...no one tells him and Crazy Joe anything, so how can they be responsible?
Very Happy
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 16 Oct, 2012 02:18 pm
@McGentrix,
So you think Bush received actionable intelligence from Clinton that could have prevented the first 9/11?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Reply Tue 16 Oct, 2012 02:48 pm
Slowly, but surely Benghazi is gathering steam, no matter how hard the Obama Administration has tried to cover it up or how slowly the MSM has become engaged in fulfilling their obligation to the people - uncovering the truth.

The next two presidential debates will assure a prominence of issues that even the NY Times can't ignore.

Laughable, the feeble argument of Obama supporters that the refusal of the Administration to enhance security in Libya, despite requests from our embassy there, was because of budget concerns.

This government is concerned about budgets? Please!

And yes, the House voted to cut back on funding for embassy security, but does anyone really believe that it was specific to each embassy? Does anyone think an administration that has no problem not enforcing the laws of this land, would have a problem finding the money to improve security in the embassy and consulates in any country?

There was plenty of money to increase security in Libya. It may have mean't reducing the amount spent in Canada and Sweden, but it was there.

Now we have Hillary taking "full responsibility."

First of all, what the he'll does that mean?

I'm sick to death of government officials of any stripe telling us they take full responsibility for anything when there are no consequences for doing so.

Clinton isn't an elected official. Her "taking responsibility" doesn't imperil a re-election bid. Let her resign or get fired and her statement will have some significance.

There are two theories for her accepting the buck stops with her:

She's a good soldier and, whether or not she believes it will, she's willing to take the blame to protect Obama.

She wants to look more presidential than her boss.

Not-with-standing the fact her acceptance of responsibility is essentially hollow, she does look more presidential than her boss, and if she is trying to shut the story down and cover for Obama, it won't work.

Biden's pitiful disclaimer that "we weren't told" is disgraceful considering that we are talking about Libya, not Barbados or Belgium.

There is no way the President can know what is going on with every embassy in every country in the world, but a competent executive would want to know what is going on in this in a few of the most critical. He would ask questions, and not try to hide behind a political narrative of his own making.

This issue has legs, because it is a clear example of Obama's governance and any and all attempt to cover for him are pathetic

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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 16 Oct, 2012 03:35 pm
The Obama administration has been deceptive about the Benghazi attack the entire time. FIrst, they blamed it on a spontaneous protest over a anti-Mohammed youtube trailer when there was no protest, only a planned terrorist attack. The White House stuck to the phony narrative long after they knew it wasn't true. Now they are trying to blame it on Republican budget cuts that were a non-factor. Obama's Deputy Campaign Manager Stephanie Cutter even went so far as to say, "the entire reason this has become the political topic it is, is because of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan". Good lord. What is wrong with these people ? This was a serious national security failure, one that was entirely foreseeable, one that our embassy personnel saw coming. Our Ambassador and other Americans were murdered, and it seems the only thing the Obama administration is interested in is throwing sand in America's eyes until after the election. This behavior is shameful, and should not be tolerated.


David King ~ OHIO.com
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H2O MAN
 
  0  
Reply Tue 16 Oct, 2012 03:48 pm

Step off Hillary!

Obama camp: ‘President Obama takes responsibility’ for Benghazi
October 16, 2012 | 4:23 pm
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InfraBlue
 
  0  
Reply Tue 16 Oct, 2012 05:49 pm
The New York Times reported yesterday that the Libyan Islamist militia, Ansar al-Shariah, were prompted by the anti-Islam film to perpetrate the attack on the diplomatic mission in Benghazi.

Quote:
The fighters said at the time that they were moved to act because of the video, which had first gained attention across the region after a protest in Egypt that day. The assailants approvingly recalled a 2006 assault by local Islamists that had destroyed an Italian diplomatic mission in Benghazi over a perceived insult to the prophet. In June the group staged a similar attack against the Tunisian Consulate over a different film, according to the Congressional testimony of the American security chief at the time, Eric A. Nordstrom.

At a news conference the day after the ambassador and three other Americans were killed, a spokesman for Ansar al-Shariah praised the attack as the proper response to such an insult to Islam. “We are saluting our people for this zeal in protecting their religion, to grant victory to the Prophet,” the spokesman said. “The response has to be firm.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/world/africa/election-year-stakes-overshadow-nuances-of-benghazi-investigation.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
roger
 
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Reply Tue 16 Oct, 2012 06:32 pm
@InfraBlue,
Maybe Libyan Islamist Militia members habitually keep granades lying about.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 16 Oct, 2012 06:45 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

Maybe Libyan Islamist Militia members habitually keep granades lying about.


Sure, the easier to perpetrate the attacks that they plan for.
roger
 
  2  
Reply Tue 16 Oct, 2012 06:53 pm
@InfraBlue,
Right. Spontaneous planning based on a video.
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Reply Tue 16 Oct, 2012 09:07 pm


Obama and Candy perpetuated the lie tonight.

Obama's initial description of the attacks, at the start of Sep. 12 address from the Rose Garden, portrayed them as an excessive response to the anti-Islam video.

The one time and only time he came close to mentioning terrorism in his statement was in the following sentence: "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for."
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InfraBlue
 
  1  
Reply Tue 16 Oct, 2012 11:50 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

Right. Spontaneous planning based on a video.


Where do you get the idea that the planning was spontaneous?
InfraBlue
 
  0  
Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 12:20 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

roger wrote:

Right. Spontaneous planning based on a video.


Where do you get the idea that the planning was spontaneous?


I'm referring to the article I cited.

In regard to what Susan Rice had told CBS about the spontaneity of the attack, she qualified that by saying that at that time the information that they had available didn't lead them to think otherwise.
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izzythepush
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 01:24 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
If something is common knowledge, I'm not going to waste my time finding a source just so you can refuse to accept it because it's not Fox. Why don't you prove Bush was unaware of the threat? Actually he probably was, he did forget a lot of things.

I think that the lives of allied servicemen, not to mention the lives of Iraqi civilians are more important than Dick Cheney's bank balance. You obviously don't agree, putting the lifestyle of Halliburton's top executives above other considerations. You probably believed Iraq was behind 9/11 or that there were WMDs in Iraq. You're so stupid you probably believed the biggest lie of them all, that 9/11 was because Moslemns hated your freedoms. It takes a particular type of idiot to believe a load of old pony about different types of petrol around Heathrow, so he can be taken all around the houses by a London cabbie but only a complete buffoon would refuse to accept they'd been taken for a ride when the facts are laid out in front of him. You'd rather live in a fantasy world than face reality, which is why you cast all opponants of Bush/Cheney/Romney as driven by class envy and living on meagre incomes, because your tiny little mind can't accept reality.

When Obama is in power you lost an ambassador, when Bush was in power you lost the World Trade Centre.

What sort of ******* name is Mitt anyway?
 

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