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@Phoenix32890,

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She left, and I took over her job as Director. All of a sudden, her decisions made perfect sense to me.

And yet you can't apply this same empathy to Obama....

@DrewDad,

No, I can't feel empathy towards him. What I have seen, is a man who is looking to make the country dependent upon government. I don't think that he should have used taxpayer money to bail out the auto industry. I think that he is spending the country into oblivion. He has pushed a health care down the throats of citizens,with the vast majority of people strongly against the bill.

And the country is still in the shithouse with regards to jobs and the economy, and will get probably get worse. The middle class is shrinking, and many more will soon be obliged to be yoked to government largesse.

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@Phoenix32890,

Wow... so Romney will change but you accept that Obama is going to do all this stuff that he obviously didn't do as President?

Don't you see any cognitive dissonance in your statements Phoenix?

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@Phoenix32890,

Bush was the one that bailed out the car companies.
The spending was a result of a recession. It's economics.
The health care bill was hardly "pushed down the throats" of anyone. It went through the process every piece of legislation does.

The country is slowly recovering but to blame it all on Obama and expecting Romney to be able to do something different shows a real failure to understand economics. Romney will have no more power than Obama does. The economic conditions will still be the same.

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@Phoenix32890,

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What I have seen, is a man who is looking to make the country dependent upon government.

Are you sure you can't provide any specifics as to what you have seen, that makes you think this? This is the second time you've said this, and you didn't answer my first request for what info leads you to believe this.

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I don't think that he should have used taxpayer money to bail out the auto industry.

Bush did that - or did you forget? Obama merely acted to protect our pre-existing investment (which was already well over 10 billion when he took office). Not to mention the fact that a failure of the industry would have also led to a massive loss of jobs in the middle of a recession, but I guess small details like that don't matter to you.

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I think that he is spending the country into oblivion.

The rate of spending has gone up less under Obama than it did under Bush and Reagan.

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He has pushed a health care down the throats of citizens,with the vast majority of people strongly against the bill.

It passed both houses of Congress; that's the way laws are supposed to work. Your predecessors said the same thing about Medicare, and it's now beloved.

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And the country is still in the shithouse with regards to jobs and the economy, and will get probably get worse. The middle class is shrinking, and many more will soon be obliged to be yoked to government largesse.

Do you admit the GOP's role in this? In no previous recession recovery have we had gov't spending, and the constant cries of 'austerity!,' choke a recovery the way that the current GOP has manipulated the choking of this one.

Cycloptichorn

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@Phoenix32890,

Come on Phoenix,

Read what you have said about President Obama and his followers, and then read your post again complaining about other people's nasty remarks. Then you will understand how ridiculous you are being.

I wonder what you were saying about Mr. Obama 4 years ago.

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Needless to say, I don't believe you've really researched any of these topics in depth. And that in turn leads me to believe that your opinions aren't actually based on these events at all, but instead based on something else - and you merely attempt to find evidence to support what you already 'know.'

Cycloptichorn

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix,

There is a difference between expressing views against Obama, and accusing him of being under the foreign influence of womanizing socialist Africans stereotypes.

Phoenix's posts are racist and hateful. There are lots of people who express views against Obama who aren't racist and hateful.

Stop pretending this has anything to do with expressing views against Obama. It is about the extreme hatred and racist rhetoric that crosses the line of anything reasonable.

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@maxdancona,

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Phoenix's posts are racist and hateful. There are lots of people who express views against Obama who aren't racist and hateful.

I wouldn't necessarily go that far. But she does support D'Souza, who does display those views.

Cycloptichorn

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@Phoenix32890,

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As far as "avoiding taxes", IMO there is nothing wrong with that.

Another way to look at that...

Mormons tithe something like ten percent. Consider the basic efficiencies with which religious charities spend money and governments spend money. That ten percent probably does more good in the world than his paying 90% in taxes would.

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@maxdancona,

What exactly have I said that is racist and hateful? I don't like the way this man is running the country. Where have I ever alluded to his race? Maybe what I have said is harsh, but hateful?

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@gungasnake,

Exactly. The honest charities are so much more efficient at doing their good works than the government.

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@maxdancona,

Actually, I knew very little about Obama in 2004. What I can remember is that I was a bit amused about how he was being treated like a rock star. I remember one clip where Obama was speaking, and a woman in the audience was almost swooning.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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Phoenix's posts are racist and hateful. There are lots of people who express views against Obama who aren't racist and hateful.

I wouldn't necessarily go that far. But she does support D'Souza, who does display those views.

Cycloptichorn

D'Sousa is Portuguese Indian from Goa. On what basis do you call him a racist?? It seems to me that by the same flawed standards you apply your own remark could be termed "racist".

Interested in a wager on the coming election???

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@georgeob1,

Surely you aren't asserting that people from India can't be racist towards blacks? You really ought to spend some time with my wife's extended family, it would disabuse you of that silly notion quickly - they have a disdain for Africans there that far surpasses our local brand of bigotry, for no other reason than many more centuries of practice at it. Dsouza is certainly hateful.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

There are as many distinct ethnic groups in India as there are languages. In terms of the sappy "diversity" standards so prevalent today, they are surely among the world's most " diverse" of peoples..

The world is populated by groups of people who don't much like each other or seek each other's company - from Republicans & Democrats; to Poles & Russians; Iranians & Jews; the educated and the illiterate; Han Chinese, Tibetans & Ughirs; G5reeks & Turks, etc. It isn't all racism. Furthermore among these and other conflicts racial prejudices are no worse than any other.

The esteemed Rev. Wright didn't appear to be a great fan of white folks either.

D'Sousa criticized Obama's political beliefs and policies. That's not racism, unless you imagine that any criticism of a black (or in Obama;s case half white) person is necessarily racist iun intent.

You should look beyond the surface of things and think more for yourself.

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@georgeob1,

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It isn't all racism

Sure, but a lot of it is. And a lot of the dislike of Obama is indeed rooted in latent racism.

It sure as hell isn't, as I said earlier, an analysis of his policies that lead most on the right-wing to be against him. Most posters here who are against Obama don't have the foggiest idea what's in the plans he proposes or the bills the GOP passes. You're one of the more informed of that bunch here and I really don't think you pay any attention to the details either.

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The esteemed Rev. Wright didn't appear to be a great fan of white folks either.

Nope, sure doesn't seem to be. I don't understand what comments like this are supposed to prove.

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You should look beyond the surface of things and think more for yourself.

You're one to talk. Do you hold any position that isn't copied straight from prevailing GOP opinion?

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

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Dsouza is certainly hateful....

You're living in a fiction world.

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@gungasnake,

Ah, yes, it's me who is living in a 'fiction world,' Gunga. Laughing

Cycloptichorn

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