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2016 moving to #1 spot

 
 
Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2012 11:31 am
@parados,
I am sorry to say that, IMO, your remark is totally out of line. It is so easy for some people, like children, when they don't like what they are hearing, to retort with something that is way "out there".

This is an adult forum, is it not?
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2012 11:37 am
@Phoenix32890,
Quote:
This is an adult forum, is it not?


Not 100%... You might want to try putting paradork and monkeyjerk and a couple of others on ignore like I do.
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2012 11:40 am
@Phoenix32890,
Really Pheonix? So you recognize it when it is used against you but not when it is used against Obama? The blurb on Amazon is ridiculous. It takes the name of Obama's book and then associates negative things about his father as if that was the thing Obama was pushing.

If this was really an adult forum, then you would have probably not posted the things you did. But children are often blinded by shiny things. Look, Obama is a socialist!!!
roger
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2012 11:58 am
@parados,
http://able2know.org/topic/196709-1

Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2012 12:00 pm
@roger,
Rog- I love it!
parados
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2012 12:01 pm
@Phoenix32890,
It does point out many of the tactics used in D'souza's argument
parados
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2012 12:56 pm
@parados,
But let's start to look at D'zousa's article

Quote:
Barack Obama is the most antibusiness president in a generation, perhaps in American history. Thanks to him the era of big government is back. Obama runs up taxpayer debt not in the billions but in the trillions

The most antibusiness president in a generation? Can we even establish that he is antibusiness? While it might be great rhetoric, shouldn't we be looking at facts? What facts are presented to support this? I see none in the article.

The era of big government is back? On what criteria is that based?
Civilian government employees have been reduced under Obama if we subtract the temporary census workers which are a temporary 10 year artifact of government employees. Even with the census increase, the Federal government has fewer employees than when Reagan was President.

Quote:

Obama runs up taxpayer debt not in the billions but in the trillions

GWBush ran up over $6 trillion in debt.
Bill Clinton ran up $1.4 trillion in debt
GHWBush ran up $1.6 trillion in debt
Ronald Reagan ran up $1.9 trillion in debt
Obama has run up about $5 trillion in debt.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/browse/collectionGPO.action?collectionCode=BUDGET

So, it appears D'zousa starts with suspect opinions in his very first paragraph.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2012 07:28 pm
Just saw the film.....

Colllective reaction of the audience:

Quote:
HOLY ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There is no way that a rational person could watch this thing and cast a second vote for Bork Obunga.
Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2012 08:47 am
@gungasnake,
Saw the film yesterday.Since I had read the book upon which it as based, there were not many surprises for me.

One thing though. There was a part near the end of the film, that had the hair on the back of my neck standing up. There was a choir made up of school kids, with Obama in attendance, singing the praises of "change". My blood ran cold. I had a sense that this was similar to scenes that I had seen in years past of Chinese communists singing the praises of Chairman Mao.

The audience clapped at the end of the film.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2012 08:56 am
@gungasnake,
Quote:
There is no way that a rational person could watch this thing and cast a second vote for Bork Obunga.


I wouldnt hold you up as a "Rational person" gunga. Your the quickest buy into all extreme conspiracies and bogus science that any refererall from you HAS TO BE taken with suspicion and disbelief.

Maybe people who went to see the show already had their minds made up and were just searching for some entertaining underpinning.

IMHO
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2012 09:16 am
@Phoenix32890,
Quote:
One thing though. There was a part near the end of the film, that had the hair on the back of my neck standing up. There was a choir made up of school kids, with Obama in attendance, singing the praises of "change".

They trotted that 4 year old thing out? You would think if your fears were real the kids would be marching in the streets singing after 4 years. It was a garbage scare tactic 4 years ago. It's a garbage scare tactic today.

I wonder why people don't get frightened the same way by this?
http://youoffendmeyouoffendmyfamily.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/romney-400x266.jpg Romney is going to make kids wear t-shirts spelling out his name.


People use their kids for political purposes. It occurs on both sides. There is really nothing that scary about it other than what some parents allow/force their kids to do.
Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2012 07:44 pm
@gungasnake,
So far, just about all of the people whose reviews of the film that I have read are mostly negative. Granted, there may be some hype involved, but D'Sousa wanted to make a point, and he did it masterfully. This review as thoughtful and intelligent:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/review_2016_obamas_america.html#ixzz24h8b641n

The ending of the review is spot on:

Quote:
Obama chose to associate with, study under, emulate, and work alongside the worst this nation has to offer. D'Souza's film is but a visual version of what readers of this site have known for years: Barack Obama may be a natural-born American citizen, and he may be the American president. He may be from America, but he is not of America. Neither is his dream


(Emphasis mine.)
roger
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2012 07:52 pm
@Phoenix32890,
Link didn't work.
Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2012 08:39 pm
@roger,
Rog-

Try this:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/review_2016_obamas_america.html

If that does not work, Google "American Thinker August 26, 2012
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2012 08:57 pm
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

This is the problem. Dinesh D'Souza is a heavyweight, basically in the same sort of league as Ayn Rand or Mencken or the like

I don't have any problem equating Dinesh D'Souza and Ayn Rand, as both are intellectual pipsqueaks on the same general level of pipsqueakery, but to suggest that D'Souza is in the same league as H.L. Mencken is like suggesting Tom Arnold is in the same league as Cary Grant. You clearly have never read anything by Mencken, or, if you have, you clearly didn't understand it.
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2012 08:58 pm
@Phoenix32890,
Phoenix32890 wrote:

I am not particularly conversant in the area of the history of colonialism and neocolonialism

Well, at least you have that in common with D'Souza.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2012 09:18 pm
@parados,
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lU8mXkOy7Cs/T5q_izjuQpI/AAAAAAAADXM/-YqhWl4XpCY/s1600/Romney_Money.jpg
parados
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2012 09:22 pm
@maxdancona,
Photoshop.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2012 09:23 pm
@parados,
No kidding. Humor.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2012 03:54 am
@joefromchicago,
You ever been outside of Chicago??
 

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